8mm to the Left: If Hitler Died in 1923
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While this is true, I don't really follow that rule and I tend to try and use characters even post-POD, albeit perhaps changed by the events of their childhood. I just find that stories which veer 100% into original characters after a certain date to be a bit impersonal
not so much changed, but more likely not born, or born but just genetically a different person (due to timing & changes another sperm reaching first, just the same name. name choice lingers around a lot longer)
I love the personal stories, like with that Jewish family, it just humanises the entire TL, though that mother reminds me of an awful lot like my grandmother hmmm
He's a reactionary dinosaur who saw the only good 3rd Republic as a dead 3rd Republic...and that's before he became a stooge for the Nazi's!
Has this more right-leaning France already implemented pro-natalist policies?
In fact, France is no longer the biggest underdog in terms of fertility rates.
In fact, France is no longer the biggest underdog in terms of fertility rates.
While no one will deny he was a monster the Khan, (much like Napoleon) also made many needed reforms all be it under very harsh rule. All Petain ever achieved was to meekly put a slave collar around France's neck for four years.
She was inspired by my grandmother, albeit way nicer, which says a lot about my grandmother
Not yet, but that is definitely on the docket. One of the big influences of Petain will actually not be the military, but on children and the family--he wanted to be Minister of Education to combat what he saw as "poisonous influences" on the minds of children, which will go hand-in-hand with putting more influence on procreation and the like
It would be useful for LV to support an alternative of SPD. It's always better to deal with a known and rational opponent instead of a populist rabble.
I have a bit of a disconnect here.
The scene with the family makes little sense to me. Not the jewish part, that is imaterial here, but the whole set up. They talk about reopening a Bank and are openly Socalist with, to me at least, communist leanings... uhm, well could someone explain why they are not more concerned about the communist influence in the SPD? You know the whole burgoise and proletariat thing sounded forced.
In my opinion a more nuanced approach could have sounded better. Maybe a reasoning for evolution instead of revolution and the importance to work in the system to change it to be better without the communist impulse to tear it all down. That is more a product of the, as mentioned, missmatch of social position and political expression here. A family of workers would be different, but even they could call for a calming of tempers as the "Reds" are giving as good as they can. And that is important as the street battles between party armies seem to be lacking so the state going hard against political violence (be it left or right) seems resonable to me.
That the communists are the recipients of the club in this case is Imo more the product of their willingness to go the extra step and escalate the situation.
Another point that may need refinig is the position of the unions here. It seems a bit more antagonistic against them then I would expect but with the shift of the SPD to the left... well maybe have the state take a step back and try to work with the moderates as the unions were not controlled by the parties, at least as far as I know.
The scene with the family makes little sense to me. Not the jewish part, that is imaterial here, but the whole set up. They talk about reopening a Bank and are openly Socalist with, to me at least, communist leanings... uhm, well could someone explain why they are not more concerned about the communist influence in the SPD? You know the whole burgoise and proletariat thing sounded forced.
In my opinion a more nuanced approach could have sounded better. Maybe a reasoning for evolution instead of revolution and the importance to work in the system to change it to be better without the communist impulse to tear it all down. That is more a product of the, as mentioned, missmatch of social position and political expression here. A family of workers would be different, but even they could call for a calming of tempers as the "Reds" are giving as good as they can. And that is important as the street battles between party armies seem to be lacking so the state going hard against political violence (be it left or right) seems resonable to me.
That the communists are the recipients of the club in this case is Imo more the product of their willingness to go the extra step and escalate the situation.
Another point that may need refinig is the position of the unions here. It seems a bit more antagonistic against them then I would expect but with the shift of the SPD to the left... well maybe have the state take a step back and try to work with the moderates as the unions were not controlled by the parties, at least as far as I know.
The father is very worried about it and this voted for the Liberals.
And I think the bank mother is mentioning is an issue related to inheritance, and I can confidently say that issue of inheritance tends to destroy every bit of love and principle. (My grandfather and his sisters, who are all over seventy years old, do not talk to each other for at least ten years, and I think none of them will attend to each other’s funeral either, mainly because of some home my great-grandfather gave to one of my mother’s aunt, or something like that)
I am not entirely sure what you mean, could you explain it a bit further?
Essentially I tried to show the family as a microcosm of public sentiment as a whole. The bank bit isn't directly related to the politics, and is more about, as @SultanArda said, general inheritance and the improving economic situation. As for the SPD, the wife isn't worried about the Communist influence and supports the SPD on principle, while the husband feels that the Leftist slide is risking greater instability and so has reluctantly turned to a more Centrist party out of lack of better options. Sort of "no good options so taking the least bad one".
Does that help?
I think they are more referring to the assumption that a banker would not be a socialist by nature of their profession. I stumbled over that point, too, but then I wasn't sure if such a blanket statement would be true, as I'm sure there must be banks by the proletariat, as well. So I chalked up the disconnect of a socialist being a banker to my general ignorance.
Ah that's a fair point. I think that it still works, though, because while the family is pro-SPD, they are not Communists, so they wouldn't be advocating for collectivisation or anything like that, just more social welfare and the like. Since Prussia was overwhelmingly pro-SPD, I figured that a lot of people in non-traditionally Socialist jobs would likely still be Socialist. Communism is another beast, of course.
Yes, my fault should have said socialist, not sure why I said communist, but I reckon I agree with you. Certainly the SPD of the 1930s will have moved on quite a bit from their original socialist policies with which the party was founded.
First, thanks for the answer.
Now for some explanation, it is more the disconnect from the whole reopen a Bank implying a rather comfortable middle / upper middle class position with the whole proletariat vs burgoise struggle in favor for the proletariat... It makes it hard for me to belive that such a family would be willing to give up its position for the more communist belives you imply them having. It could be my misunderstanding so... Or at least I would expect them to move in circles that are a bit more reserved about the whole communism thing and not be as ennamored.
So it is not the electing the SPD, that is more then possible, but Imo the SPD was more for an evolution towards social economics and workers rights and less replace the system with a communist utopia.
As I mentiond, a working class family having such a conversation would Imo fit better for the SPD part, even more so with the appearant major influence that the communist faction is having. I.e. "couping" the party leadership.
Imo, SPD and Socialism is not the same as a violent reshaping of the political order. At least not in the timeframe we are in. But for me, the conversation of the father and daughter sounded very much overly influenced by communist vocabulary. So I seemd that the whole thing is not fitting together in a way.
As to the whole union part with the state seemingly going against them? Afaik the unions in Germany were better integrated in the whole process of conflict resolution and workers rights. Again, it is more the general feel that the whole union / socialism struggle against the state thing is... I would say shown from an anglo-centric position.
Whereas the SPD was a major power in the time in Germany even prior to the Great War and shoulderd the burdons of being a party at that time. Up to and including the OTL split of SPD / USPD.
So in short, Imo it portraits the SPD as more left then I had anticipated and that clashes with the characters shown.