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    French screw for the surprise of nobody I guess…


    Francis I, King of France (1496-1546) married a) Claude, Duchess of Brittany (1499-1524) in 1514, b) Eleanor of Austria (b. 1498) in 1530
    1. a) Louise (1515-1518)
    2. a) Charlotte (1516-1524)
    3. a) Francis III, Duke of Brittany (b. 1518-1536)
    4. a) Henry, Duke of Brittany (1519-1546) married Catherine de Medici (b. 1518)
      1. Francis (1544)
      2. Elizabeth, Duchess of Brittany (b. 1545) married ?
    5. a) Madeleine (b. 1520) married James V, King of Scotland (b. 1512) with issue
    6. a) Charles, Duke d’Orleans (1521-1545)
    7. a) Marguerite (b. 1523) married Emmanuel Philibert, Duke of Savoy (b. 1528)
    8. b) John III, King of France (b. 1532) married Elizabeth of England (b. 1533)
    9. b) Philip, Duke of Anjou (1535)
    10. b) Eleanor (b. 1537) married William III, King of England (b. 1536)
    11. b) Isabella (b. 1537) married James VI, King of Scotland (b. 1538)
     
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    isabella said:
    French screw for the surprise of nobody I guess…


    Francis I, King of France (1496-1546) married a) Claude, Duchess of Brittany (1499-1524) in 1514, b) Eleanor of Austria (b. 1498) in 1530
    1. a) Louise (1515-1518)
    2. a) Charlotte (1516-1524)
    3. a) Francis III, Duke of Brittany (b. 1518-1536)
    4. a) Henry, Duke of Brittany (1519-1545) married Catherine de Medici (b. 1518)
      1. Francis (1544)
      2. Elizabeth, Duchess of Brittany (b. 1545) married ?
    5. a) Madeleine (b. 1520) married James V, King of Scotland (b. 1512) with issue
    6. a) Charles, Duke d’Orleans (1521-1545)
    7. a) Marguerite (b. 1523) married Emmanuel Philibert, Duke of Savoy (b. 1528)
    8. b) John III, King of France (b. 1532) married Elizabeth of England (b. 1533)
    9. b) Philip, Duke of Anjou (1535)
    10. b) Eleanor (b. 1537) married William III, King of England (b. 1536)
    11. b) Isabella (b. 1537) married James VI, King of Scotland (b. 1538)
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    So Isabella marries her nephew? And is William Anne Boleyn’s son?
     
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    France, 1799

    Desirée Bonaparte, wife of the newly installed First Consul of the French Republic, was talking to her escort, her husband‘s newest aide de camp and the youngest among them as Eugene de Beauharnais was only 18 years old. Obviously the boy was far from unknown to both her and her husband as he was the stepson of the late and greatly mourned general Hoche and his mother, Rose, was a brilliant hostess, close friend of Therese Tallien and so at the heart of the Parisian society and had just remarried to one of Napoleon‘s most important officers, Joachim Murat. Desirée also knew well enough Eugene’s younger sister, Hortense, as she was a schoolmate of Caroline, her youngest sister-in-law, who looked to be much interested in the young man. Hopefully Napoleon would not disapprove, as she knew who her husband would liked better a wedding between Caroline and general Moreau, but the latter was already engaged and Napoleon’s other favorite for his sister, his closest aid Duroc, had looked to be much more interested in Hortense than Caroline when he had been sent to retrieve both girls from their school.
     
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    Another tree, WIP as usual (I do not know if I will do more for this scenario)… POD, I guess Hoche being arrested before marrying his OTL wife instead of just after it…


    Carlo Maria Buonaparte (1746-1785) married Maria Letizia Ramolino (b. 1749) in 1764
    1. Joseph (b. 1768) married Marie Julie Clary (b. 1771) in 1794 with issue
    2. Napoleon (b. 1769) married Bernardine Eugénie Désirée Clary (b. 1777) in 1795 with issue
    3. Lucien (b. 1775) married Catherine Christine Eléonore Boyer (1771-1800) in 1794 and Marie Laurence Charlotte Louise Alexandrine de Bleschamp (b. 1778) in 1802 with issue by both
    4. Marie Anne Elise (b. 1777) married Felice Pasquale Baciocchi (b. 1762) in 1797 with issue
    5. Louis (b. 1778) married Maria Luisa of Spain, Dowager Queen of Etruria (b. 1782) in 1804 with issue
    6. Marie Pauline (b. 1780) married Charles Victoire Emmanuel Leclerc (b. 1772) in 1797 with issue
    7. Caroline Marie Annunciata Bonaparte (b. 1782) married Eugène Rose de Beauharnais (b. 1781) in 1800 with issue
    8. Jérôme (b. 1784) married Elizabeth Patterson (b. 1785) in 1803 with issue

    Marie Rose Josèphe Tascher de la Pagerie (b. 1763) married a) Alexandre François Marie, Viscount of Beauharnais (1760-1794) in 1779, b) Louis Lazare Hoche (1768-1797) in 1794, c) Joachim Murat (b. 1767) in 1799
    1. a) Eugène Rose de Beauharnais (b. 1781) married Caroline Marie Annunciata Bonaparte (b. 1782) in 1800 with issue
    2. a) Hortense Eugénie Cécile (b. 1783) married Géraud Christophe Michel Duroc (b. 1782) in 1800 with issue
     
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    WIP as always, another version for the POD by Jan Olbracht “What if Ferdinand I of Austria was sterile?”


    Philip I, King of Castile (1478-1506) married Joanna, Queen of Castile and Aragon (b. 1479) in 1496
    1. Eleanor (b. 1498) married a) Manuel I, King of Portugal (1469-1521) in 1518, b) Frederick II, Elector Palatine (b. 1485) in 1526
      1. a) Maria (b. 1521) married ?
      2. b) Philip II, Elector Palatine (b. 1527) married ?
      3. b) Margaret (b. 1528) married William, Duke of Julich-Cleves-Berg (b. 1515)
      4. b) Eleanor (b. 1530) married John George, Elector of Brandenburg (b. 1525)
      5. b) Isabella (b. 1531) married Albert V, Duke of Bavaria (b. 1528)
      6. b) Charles (b. 1533)
    2. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1500) married Isabella of Portugal (1503-1539) in 1526
      1. Philip II, King of Spain (b. 1527) married a) Maria Manuela of Portugal (1527-1545) in 1543, b) ?
      2. Maria (b. 1528) married ?
      3. Ferdinand II, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1529) married ?
      4. Joanna (b. 1535) married John Manuel, Prince of Portugal (1537-1554) in 1552
        1. Sebastian I, King of Portugal (b. 1554)
      5. John, King of Hungary and Poland (b. 1537) married Elisabeth Magdalena of Brandenburg (b. 1538)
    3. Isabella (1501-1526) married Christian II, King of Denmark, Sweden and Norway (b. 1481) in 1514,
      1. John II, King of England (b. 1518) married Mary I, Queen of England (b. 1516) in 1545 with issue
      2. Dorothea (b. 1520) married a) Francis III, Duke of Brittany (1518-1536) in 1528 without issue
      3. Kristina (b. 1521) married Francis I, Duke of Lorraine (b. 1517) with issue
    4. Ferdinand I, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1503) married Anne of Bohemia and Hungary (b. 1503) in 1521 without issue
    5. Mary (b. 1505) married Louis II, King of Hungary and Bohemia (1506-1526) in 1515 without issue
    6. Catherine (b. 1507) married John III, King of Portugal (b. 1502) with issue

    Francis I, King of France (1494-1547) married a) Claude of France, Duchess of Brittany (1499-1524) in 1514, b) Isabella of Poland (b. 1519) in 1532
    1. a) Louise (1515-1518)
    2. a) Charlotte (1516-1524)
    3. a) Francis III, Duke of Brittany (1518-1536) married Dorothea of Denmark (b. 1520) in 1528 without issue
    4. a) Henry II, King of France (b. 1519) married a) Catherine de’ Medici (b. 1518) in 1533 ann 1540, b) ?
    5. a) Madeleine (b. 1520) married James V, King of Scotland (b. 1512) with issue
    6. a) Charles, Duke d’Orleans (1522-1545)
    7. a) Marguerite (b. 1523) married Sigismund II, King of Poland (b. 1520) without issue
    8. b) Isabella (b. 1534) married Ludovico II, Duke of Milan (b. 1530)*
    9. b) Marie (b. 1536) married Emmanuel Philibert, Duke of Savoy (b. 1528)
    10. b) Louis, Duke of Angouleme (1537-1550)
    11. b) John, Duke of Anjou (1540-1548)

    *son of Francis II, Duke of Milan by Margherita Paleologa, Marquise of Montferrat (who married in 1528)
     
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    • Dragonboy

    isabella said:
    WIP as always, another version for the POD by Jan Olbracht “What if Ferdinand I of Austria was sterile?”


    Philip I, King of Castile (1478-1506) married Joanna, Queen of Castile and Aragon (b. 1479) in 1496
    1. Eleanor (b. 1498) married a) Manuel I, King of Portugal (1469-1521) in 1518, b) Frederick II, Elector Palatine (b. 1485) in 1526
      1. a) Maria (b. 1521) married ?
      2. b) Philip II, Elector Palatine (b. 1527) married ?
      3. b) Margaret (b. 1528) married William, Duke of Julich-Cleves-Berg (b. 1515)
      4. b) Eleanor (b. 1530) married John George, Elector of Brandenburg (b. 1525)
      5. b) Isabella (b. 1531) married Albert V, Duke of Bavaria (b. 1528)
      6. b) Charles (b. 1533)
    2. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1500) married Isabella of Portugal (1503-1539) in 1526
      1. Philip II, King of Spain (b. 1527) married a) Maria Manuela of Portugal (1527-1545) in 1543, b) ?
      2. Maria (b. 1528) married ?
      3. Ferdinand II, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1529) married ?
      4. Joanna (b. 1535) married John Manuel, Prince of Portugal (1537-1554) in 1552
        1. Sebastian I, King of Portugal (b. 1554)
      5. John, King of Hungary and Poland (b. 1537) married Elisabeth Magdalena of Brandenburg (b. 1538)
    3. Isabella (1501-1526) married Christian II, King of Denmark, Sweden and Norway (b. 1481) in 1514,
      1. John II, King of England (b. 1518) married Mary I, Queen of England (b. 1516) in 1545 with issue
      2. Dorothea (b. 1520) married a) Francis III, Duke of Brittany (1518-1536) in 1528 without issue
      3. Kristina (b. 1521) married Francis I, Duke of Lorraine (b. 1517) with issue
    4. Ferdinand I, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1503) married Anne of Bohemia and Hungary (b. 1503) in 1521 without issue
    5. Mary (b. 1505) married Louis II, King of Hungary and Bohemia (1506-1526) in 1515 without issue
    6. Catherine (b. 1507) married John III, King of Portugal (b. 1502) with issue

    Francis I, King of France (1494-1547) married a) Claude of France, Duchess of Brittany (1499-1524) in 1514, b) Isabella of Poland (b. 1519) in 1532
    1. a) Louise (1515-1518)
    2. a) Charlotte (1516-1524)
    3. a) Francis III, Duke of Brittany (1518-1536) married Dorothea of Denmark (b. 1520) in 1528 without issue
    4. a) Henry II, King of France (b. 1519) married a) Catherine de’ Medici (b. 1518) in 1533 ann 1540, b) ?
    5. a) Madeleine (b. 1520) married James V, King of Scotland (b. 1512) with issue
    6. a) Charles, Duke d’Orleans (1522-1545)
    7. a) Marguerite (b. 1523) married Sigismund II, King of Poland (b. 1520) without issue
    8. b) Isabella (b. 1534) married Ludovico II, Duke of Milan (b. 1530)*
    9. b) Marie (b. 1536) married Emmanuel Philibert, Duke of Savoy (b. 1528)
    10. b) Louis, Duke of Angouleme (1537-1550)
    11. b) John, Duke of Anjou (1540-1548)

    *son of Francis II, Duke of Milan by Margherita Paleologa, Marquise of Montferrat (who married in 1528)
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    Amazing work!

    I imagine that Ferdinand I formally adopted his nephew and namesake when it became clear that children wouldnt be coming from him.

    And will Philip II have a second son to pass burgundy onto?
     

    isabella

    Dragonboy said:
    Amazing work!

    I imagine that Ferdinand I formally adopted his nephew and namesake when it became clear that children wouldnt be coming from him.

    And will Philip II have a second son to pass burgundy onto?
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    Burgundy will go to Ferdinand as it will be destined to him since his birth.
     

    isabella

    Dragonboy said:
    Got it, Hope he's more tolerant than his big brother.
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    John is the more tolerant/religious indifferent of his brothers and OTL Philip knew when he needed to be pragmatic . In any case Ferdinand was raised in Burgundy since he was six or seven as his father named him as Count of Charolais as soon he was three years old so the seventeen provinces never rebelled against the Habsburg authority
     

    Dragonboy

    isabella said:
    John is the more tolerant/religious indifferent of his brothers and OTL Philip knew when he needed to be pragmatic . In any case Ferdinand was raised in Burgundy since he was six or seven as his father named him as Count of Charolais as soon he was three years old so the seventeen provinces never rebelled against the Habsburg authority
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    Nice
     
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    James II, King of England and Scotland (1633-1686) married a) Anne Hyde (1637-1671) in 1660, b) Mary Beatrice of Modena (b. 1658) in 1673
    1. a) Charles, Duke of Cambridge (1660-1661)
    2. a) Mary (b. 1662) married William III, Prince of Orange (b. 1650) in 1667
    3. a) James, Duke of Cambridge (1663-1667)
    4. a) Anne (b. 1665) married George of Denmark (b. 1653) in 1683
    5. a) Charles, Duke of Kendal (1666–1667)
    6. a) Edgar, Duke of Cambridge (1667-1671)
    7. a) Henrietta (1669)
    8. a) Catherine (1671)
    9. b) stillborn child (1674)
    10. b) Catherine Laura (1675)
    11. b) stillborn (1675)
    12. b) Isabella (b. 1676) married Frederick IV, King of Denmark (b. 1671)
    13. b) Charles III, King of England (b. 1677) married lady Anne Scott (b. 1675)
    14. b) Laura (b. 1678) married Charles III, Elector Palatine (b. 1675) *
    15. b) stillborn child (1681)
    16. b) Charlotte Maria (b. 1682) married Frederick II of Prussia (b. 1682) **
    17. b) stillborn child (1683)
    18. b) stillborn child (1684)
    *ATL son of Charles II, Elector Palatine
    **ATL son of Frederick I by his first wife
     
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    Another little tree… Miguel is born as girl so Manuel remarried earlier to Maria

    Manuel I, King of Portugal (b. 1469) married a) Isabella, Princess of Asturias and Girona (1470-1498) in 1497, b) Maria of Aragon (b. 1482) in 1499
    1. a) Isabella II, Queen of Castile and Aragon (b. 1498) married Alfonso VI, King of Aragon and Castile (b. 1489) in 1512
    2. b) Ferdinand II, King of Portugal (b. 1500) married ?
    3. b) Beatrice (b. 1502) married ?
    4. b) John, Duke of Viseu (b. 1503) married Guiomar Countinho (b. 1504)
    5. b) Eleanor (b. 1504) married ?
    6. b) Louis, Duke of Beja (1505-1508)
    7. b) Alfonso, Duke of Guarda (1507-1518)
    8. b) Maria (b. 1509) married ?
    9. b) Diego (1510)
    10. b) Henry, Cardinal (b. 1511)
    11. b) Margaret (1513)
    12. b) Edward, Duke of Guimaraes (b. 1515) married Isabella of Braganza (b. 1514)
     
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    Another tree, WIP as usual (I do not know if I will do more for this scenario)… POD, I guess Hoche being arrested before marrying his OTL wife instead of just after it…
    A reworked version of the trees for that scenario


    Carlo Maria Buonaparte (1746-1785) married Maria Letizia Ramolino (b. 1749) in 1764
    1. Joseph (b. 1768) married Marie Julie Clary (b. 1771) in 1794 with issue
    2. Napoleon (b. 1769) married Bernardine Eugénie Désirée Clary (b. 1777) in 1795 with issue
    3. Lucien (b. 1775) married Catherine Christine Eléonore Boyer (1771-1800) in 1794 and Marie Laurence Charlotte Louise Alexandrine de Bleschamp (b. 1778) in 1802 with issue by both
    4. Marie Anne Elise (b. 1777) married Felice Pasquale Baciocchi (b. 1762) in 1797 with issue
    5. Louis (b. 1778) married Maria Luisa of Spain, Dowager Queen of Etruria (b. 1782) in 1804 with issue
    6. Marie Pauline (b. 1780) married Charles Victoire Emmanuel Leclerc (b. 1772) in 1797 with issue
    7. Caroline Marie Annunciata Bonaparte (b. 1782) married Joachim Murat (b. 1767) in 1800 with issue
    8. Jérôme (b. 1784) married Elizabeth Patterson (b. 1785) in 1803 with issue

    Marie Josèphe Rose Tascher de la Pagerie (b. 1763) married a) Alexandre François Marie, Viscount of Beauharnais (1760-1794) in 1779, b) Louis Lazare Hoche (1768-1797) in 1794
    1. a) Eugène Rose de Beauharnais (b. 1781) married ??
    2. a) Hortense Eugénie Cécile (b. 1783) married Géraud Christophe Michel Duroc (b. 1782) in 1800 with issue
    3. b) Louis ?? Hoche (b. 1795) married Letizia Bonaparte (b. 1798)
    4. b) Anne Désirée Rose Hoche (b. 1797)
     
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    isabella said:
    Another tree, WIP as usual (I do not know if I will do more for this scenario)… POD, I guess Hoche being arrested before marrying his OTL wife instead of just after it…
    A reworked version of the trees for that scenario


    Carlo Maria Buonaparte (1746-1785) married Maria Letizia Ramolino (b. 1749) in 1764
    1. Joseph (b. 1768) married Marie Julie Clary (b. 1771) in 1794 with issue
    2. Napoleon (b. 1769) married Bernardine Eugénie Désirée Clary (b. 1777) in 1795 with issue
    3. Lucien (b. 1775) married Catherine Christine Eléonore Boyer (1771-1800) in 1794 and Marie Laurence Charlotte Louise Alexandrine de Bleschamp (b. 1778) in 1802 with issue by both
    4. Marie Anne Elise (b. 1777) married Felice Pasquale Baciocchi (b. 1762) in 1797 with issue
    5. Louis (b. 1778) married Maria Luisa of Spain, Dowager Queen of Etruria (b. 1782) in 1804 with issue
    6. Marie Pauline (b. 1780) married Charles Victoire Emmanuel Leclerc (b. 1772) in 1797 with issue
    7. Caroline Marie Annunciata Bonaparte (b. 1782) married Joachim Murat (b. 1767) in 1800 with issue
    8. Jérôme (b. 1784) married Elizabeth Patterson (b. 1785) in 1803 with issue

    Marie Josèphe Rose Tascher de la Pagerie (b. 1763) married a) Alexandre François Marie, Viscount of Beauharnais (1760-1794) in 1779, b) Louis Lazare Hoche (1768-1797) in 1794
    1. a) Eugène Rose de Beauharnais (b. 1781) married ??
    2. a) Hortense Eugénie Cécile (b. 1783) married Géraud Christophe Michel Duroc (b. 1782) in 1800 with issue
    3. b) Louis ?? Hoche (b. 1795) married Letizia Bonaparte (b. 1798)
    4. b) Anne Désirée Rose Hoche (b. 1797)
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    What leads to Pauline and Leclerc having children in this timeline?
     

    Wendell

    isabella said:
    The fact who OTL they had a son (who died young), maybe? She had no child by Borghese but Leclerc was a different thing
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    I was unaware that she had had a child with Leclerc who died young. Who do you see Bernadotte marrying with Desiree as Napoleon's wife?
     
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    WIP need a serious rework for being consistent
    POD: Elizabeth of York died in childbirth after securing the English succession and Henry VII remarried to Anne of Brittany

    Henry VII, King of England (b. 1457) married a) Elizabeth of York (1466-1488), b) Anne, Duchess of Brittany (b. 1477)
    1. a) Arthur, Prince of Wales (b. 1486) married a) Catherine of Aragon (1485-1502), b) Germaine of Foix (b. 1488) with issue
    2. a) Henry, Duke of York (1488-1510) married Margaret of Angoulême (b. 1492) with issue
    3. a) Elizabeth of England (b. 1488) married James IV, King of Scotland (b. 1473) with issue
    4. b) Francis, Count of Montfort (b. 1494) married Isabelle of Lorraine (b. 1494) with issue
    5. b) Margaret of England (b. 1496) married Christian II, King of Denmark (b. 1481) with issue
    6. b) Edmund, Duke of Somerset (b. 1498) married Madeleine de la Tour d’Auvergne (b. 1498) with issue
    7. b) Mary of England (1500-1504)
    8. b) Catherine of England (b. 1502) married Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1500) with issue
    9. b) Edward, Duke of Richmond (1505-1520) married Elizabeth Grey, Viscountess Lisle (1505-1519) without issue
    10. b) Anne of England (1508)
    11. b) Eleanor of England (b. 1510) married Charles IIl, Duke of Savoy (b. 1508)

    Margaret of Austria (b. 1480) married a) Charles VIII, King of France (1470-1498), b) Philibert II, Duke of Savoy (b. 1480) in 1499
    1. a) Anne (1495)
    2. a) stillborn son (1497)
    3. b) Margaret of Savoy (b. 1501)
    4. b) Philip, Prince of Piedmont (1503-1505)
    5. b) Mary of Savoy (1504)
    6. b) Eleanor of Savoy (b. 1505)
    7. b) Charles III, Duke of Savoy (b. 1507) married Eleanor of England (b. 1510)

    Louis XII, King of France (1462-1514) married a) Jeanne of France (1464-1505) ann 1500, b) Charlotte of Naples (b. 1479)
    1. b) stillborn son (1500)
    2. b) Marie of France (1502-1504)
    3. b) stillborn daughter (1503)
    4. b) Charles IX, King of France (b. 1506) married Margaret of Austria (b. 1507)
    5. b) Anne of France (b. 1508) married ?

    Ferdinand II, King of Naples (1467-1500) married Joanna of Naples (b. 1480)
    1. Ippolita (b. 1498) married Ferdinand of Taranto (b. 1488)
    2. Alfonso III, King of Naples (b. 1500) married Anne of Spain (b. 1498)

    John, Prince of Asturias (1478-1497) married Isabella of Brittany (1478-1498) in 1493
    1. Ferdinand III, King of Spain (b. 1495) married Madeleine of Navarre (b. 1494)
    2. Isabella of Spain (b. 1496) married John III, King of Portugal (b. 1498) *
    3. Anne (b. 1498) married Alfonso III, King of Naples (b. 1500)


    *firstborn child of Manuel I and Maria of Aragon, who here married in 1497


    Philip III, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1478) married Joanna of Aragon and Castile (b. 1479) in 1496
    1. Eleanor (b. 1498) married Henry VIII, King of England (b. 1504)
    2. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1500) married Catherine of England (b. 1502)
    3. Isabella (b. 1501) married Antoine, Duke of Lorraine (b. 1489)
    4. Maximilian II, Archduke of Austria (b. 1503) married Anne of Bohemia and Hungary (b. 1503)
    5. Mary (b. 1505) married Louis II, King of Hungary (1506-1626)
    6. Margaret (b. 1507) married Charles IX, King of France (b. 1506)
    7. Catherine (1508-1510)
    8. Beatrice (1510)
     
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