AHC: Large African Community in China
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d32123
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Yeah combine that with the need for workers they'll have. They also need to keep wages down somehow. I imagine that there'd be a lot of ethnic tension and stuff though as they've never been a very immigrant friendly country.
Originally it was part of the whole 'Solidarity between Communist/Socialist Nations', however over time it's also been economic.
Currently their are somewhere between 20,000-40,000 Africans living in China.
I don't think so. In Guangzhou alone there are 200000 Africans, most of them illegal of course.
They'd probably want to participate in the Trans-Atlantic slave-trade, which would require a more powerful Arab/Red Sea-region World- whom they would likely have more contacts with these than Europeans unless we assume geological PoDs.
I suppose the other plausible alternative is some sort of mass migration of Negritos or Melanesians to China; perhaps through gradual colonization of these areas or perhaps China begins it's own slave trade and targets darker skinned individuals from Oceania; though I can't see why this wouldn't just extend to all peoples in the region, you might see a parable emerge (though with a distinctive Oceanic identity as opposed to African one).
I suppose the other plausible alternative is some sort of mass migration of Negritos or Melanesians to China; perhaps through gradual colonization of these areas or perhaps China begins it's own slave trade and targets darker skinned individuals from Oceania; though I can't see why this wouldn't just extend to all peoples in the region, you might see a parable emerge (though with a distinctive Oceanic identity as opposed to African one).
The challenge is about Africans...
Anyway, an early-established African community in China shouldn't be too hard if we follow the path of the Siddi.
Warsie
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Well remember China has ethnic tensions within the Han as well. I remember a case where tHE QING government basically resettled this ethnic/lingistic/claan group in another region of one of their provinces. Given chinese can't get along w themselves the ethnic tensions will prolly be exxagerated. Though I heard of fights between africans and chinese.
For an earlier POD make china keep trade open and peoples movement will grow.
Here's a longshot series of events:
-POD: Muhammed's forces/the Caliphate conquers Persia (which includes much of Central Asia)
-Islam also expands throughout East Africa along the Indian Ocean
-The Caliphate fragments into a Mediterranean-centred realm (based in, say, Damascus or Egypt), and an Indian-Ocean realm based in Oman. Persia falls into the Oman-based realm.
-The Omani-Persian Empire conquers Western China. An African governor is appointed.
-The African governor encourages emigration from East Africa to the deserts of Turkestan.
-East Turkestan, with a sizeable African population, goes Mongol and conquers China.
-POD: Muhammed's forces/the Caliphate conquers Persia (which includes much of Central Asia)
-Islam also expands throughout East Africa along the Indian Ocean
-The Caliphate fragments into a Mediterranean-centred realm (based in, say, Damascus or Egypt), and an Indian-Ocean realm based in Oman. Persia falls into the Oman-based realm.
-The Omani-Persian Empire conquers Western China. An African governor is appointed.
-The African governor encourages emigration from East Africa to the deserts of Turkestan.
-East Turkestan, with a sizeable African population, goes Mongol and conquers China.
I heard such fights or troubles happened also in USSR days between russians (and others perhaps) and foreign students and friendly 'communist immigrants' and all. The official ideology didn't stop totally an old racism, it seems.
Unconsensual
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Have China go along the way of France, colonize and then annex a part of Africa as an integral part of China.
That would'nt satisfy the OP, as you'd just be adding another, albeit darker skinned, Asian ethnicity to China.
Negritos, despite early theories, are not recent descendants of Africans anymore than the Chinese themselves are.
Seems rather ASB. Given the Chinese emphasis on internal stability and harmony, and given China's sheer size, it would be out of character to formally colonize faraway lands, let alone annex them as an integral part of China. Turn them into vassals and allow thousands of African merchants and students to settle, sure. But China already has more than enough coolies of its own and economically won't need to import any.
scholar
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To France, Africa was just a stone throw away and controlling that vital part of land in the Algiers was imperative to the security of the Empire. China, barring it pulling a Mongol, has to take a boat, go through Indonesia, up the Siamese and Burmese coasts, all along the Indian coastline crossing hundreds of different kingdoms, through Persia's coast before making it the the Arabian Peninsula, and then they would only begin to touch an edge of east Africa. Completely implausible without a massive Chinese Conquest, which is almost as equally implausible, though not nearly impossible. The Tang had made it to Afghanistan and the Caspian Sea, with an early enough POD and a more stable China it wouldn't be impossible for them to actually expand to the point where Africa is a lot closer than now.