For All Mankind (AH Tv series at Apple TV)
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Then they would be tied with United Kingdom and Canada, maybe as an associate of NASA or a subcontractor?
At least in Mexico's case, someone else said the idea that Mexico is actually much more of a Yugo/Albanian-style system that's goes to great lengths not to anger the United States as well as Mexico City do not answer Moscow calls, or orders at all. Hell I think it the same in Eastern Europe has suppose to have their own clear split in their own sort of semi-Pact and at one remove from the USSR.
Still maybe it overblown in South America, or even doing their own thing, but even the joke of Hart's Foreign Policy the USA should have taken action against it.
Now that I think about it, I wonder if you still have Islamic terrorism, and domestic terrorism because of fossil fuel going out the door would have cost a great number of jobs and livelihoods no matter how you do it. More with stuff like the Arab Cold War.
On the flipside, you have offworld Communists who reject the coup and hardliner takeover, end up splitting off into their own community, independent of Moscow.
Frankly this whole coup might be the straw that broke the camel's back in the hardcore Marxist-Leninists totally wrecks the Soviet Union and ruins it into nothing.
Frankly this whole coup might be the straw that broke the camel's back in the hardcore Marxist-Leninists totally wrecks the Soviet Union and ruins it into nothing.
In regards to the writing, I will cut the writers some slack sincesince removing everyone born after 1969 would make it harder to relate to, hence why Elian Gonzalez still exists considering the massive changes. But in regards to the point of the Monroe Doctrine, with regards to Mexico, wouldn't the GOP be hammering Gary Hart and Democrats for "losing Mexico". Just consider that Truman Administration in OTL is blamed for "losing China". Also consider that you also Hugo Chavez coming to power in Venezuela, just as the GOP won the 1996 election. At one point or another, the U.S. would have been deploying troops along the U.S./ Mexican border, or at the very least be sending "military advisors" to Venezuela.
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When Aledia visit the man in a wheelchair in his home they talke about her and that she was working for the Russians
She's indeed considered dead. Characters that knew her speak of her as if she is dead and there's a brief blink and you'll miss it shot of her name inscribed on the memorial for the JSC Bombing victims.
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She was suspected of being a Soviet asset towards the end of last Season. They don't speak of her as currently working for the Russians
So it's like OTL Nepal where in the Maoists are elected in power but it's somehow a democracy?
Then I wonder what will happen if/once Aleida and the Us government finds out she's still alive and living in Russia. Maybe this would help Aleida get over her PTSD?
My thinking about the North Korean plot from last season, and continuing into this season, is that originally in early writing drafts it was meant to China. Which would make sense from an AH point of view if the US and west haves focused more on co-operation and economic development with the Soviets, this leaves China out in the cold and more hard line without the reforms we saw OTL.
Likely some Apple exec gave that a hard no as soon as they saw the draft and it got changed to NK. Which makes... less sense.
Likely some Apple exec gave that a hard no as soon as they saw the draft and it got changed to NK. Which makes... less sense.
The Soviet coup is also very bizarre. OTL the hardliners made their move in a situation of economic and political crisis as the USSR was disintegrating. But in ITTL Gorbachev's reforms have apparently worked, the USSR is doing well economically from its investment in technology, appears to be stable, and has reached a point of comfortable co-existance with the US as one of two equal and co-operating global superpowers. Sure there might be malcontents decrying that the union has abandoned the communist vision, but realistically if they tried any sort of direct action against the government, the army and security apparatus would have put them down hard with no hesitation.
Hey, they did the same with the reboot of Red Dawn, which makes EVEN LESS sense. North Korea managing their own Space Program and succeding, by playing the same 'high risk, high rewards' approach the Soviets were doing in Season 1, to have the first man on Mars and become a serious partner in the Mars Colonization effort? Difficult, but still somewhat realistic.
North Korea managing to create an army and fleet to invade the United States, one of the strongest Sealion moments in all history? ASB.
I think the nature of the coup ITTL is not toward the economy, but because apparently Gorbachev has been seen by them as too friendly with the Western Powers and too little interested to preserve the Soviet Union's prestige and hegemony. So I'd say it's less an hardline communist coup, and more and soviet-nationalist coup, less damaging to the URSS as a whole but more powerful for drama purpouses, expecially considering the Soviet Cosmonauts still on the Moon and Mars...
Sort of a side question, is this an alternative spelling of the USSR? I've seen you using it quite a lot.
Oh, you're right. You see, in Italy USSR is "Unione delle Repubblice Socialiste Sovietiche" or URSS for short.
The same thing happened with Homefront (2011). China invading the United States was conveniently changed to the Unified Korea known as the Greater Korean Republic.
So has Ed been staying on Mars since '95? You definitely get the sense that he doesn't want to go back to Earth because he knows that once he does, he can never leave again. Though if he has been away for that long, I wonder if he can even live in Earth gravity anymore. Either way, with his age, his Parkinson's symptoms, and him seeming like the John Boone of this Red Mars-esque society, I get the feeling that he won't survive the season.
It's really confusing to me as to how the coup in the Soviet Union played out and whether it was successful in the end (though that's probably a deliberate choice by the writers), with the mysterious woman just mentioning that Gorbachev agreed to terms (whether it was agreeing to step down into a quiet retirement and let the plotters take power, or to reshuffle the power structure in favour of those who put him back in power, I'm not sure yet, though I'm leaning towards the former).
If a new hardliner regime is in power now, that's opposed to red capitalism and cooperation with the West, then it sounds like the stage is set for a conflict between the new regime and the Soviet presence on Mars (and maybe off Earth in general), who seem plenty open and moderate and are dependent on cooperation with the other powers. Between that, the exploited Helios workers, and the upcoming North Korean people smuggling/defection, I think we're getting close to a Martian Revolution. Which, I'd be all for, if they go that way. For a free Mars, free from the oppression of Earth in all its forms.
If a new hardliner regime is in power now, that's opposed to red capitalism and cooperation with the West, then it sounds like the stage is set for a conflict between the new regime and the Soviet presence on Mars (and maybe off Earth in general), who seem plenty open and moderate and are dependent on cooperation with the other powers. Between that, the exploited Helios workers, and the upcoming North Korean people smuggling/defection, I think we're getting close to a Martian Revolution. Which, I'd be all for, if they go that way. For a free Mars, free from the oppression of Earth in all its forms.
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Three hundred people who are largely dependent on Earth for their survival made up of former manual labour workers, a fanatically patriotic contingent of North Koreans and several astronauts who by and large have their allegiance to their respective nations vs the entirety of Earth's space capable nations. Even the Expanse's Mars, with a large industrial capacity and some of humanity's most brilliant minds was pretty much fucked had they not invented the Epstein drive to trade but ok my dude.
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Maybe this is why the 'asteroids' are so vital, expecially if there is one incoming that may have some very precious substance that is vital to Earth and human civilization as a whole...