Yes, AH.com's been swamped lately by Canada threads 
. I made a map earlier since when school finishes I'll have time to do a TL and why not do one including the country I live in.
Anyway, as the title says, here's the borders:
I superimposed the extent of Canada over modern borders and added in dotted lines to represent the borders I have assumed existed at the start of when these borders become relevant.
I haven't decided on everything yet, and it isn't a realistic TL like some people have here. I want to see how Canada would devleop with these borders first and then explore whether the borders are feasible, etc. I'll throw down some generalizations of the dotted lines anyway and where I imagined them coming from
- The territory around New Brunswick is clearly divided. This came from a "lighter Acadien-expulsion" TL where instead of being mass-deported, Acadiens are coerced after the Seven Years' War (or some analogue) into moving into the heavily unsettled regions of northern New Brunswick or to Louisbourg on the eastern part of Île-Royale (Cape Breton Island). With a large enough, concentrated French-speaking Acadien population in northern New Brunswick I thought it might merit its only colony, perhaps under British rationale to 'contain' Acadiens and prevent them from moving around other colonies (IOTL the British were highly distrustful of the Acadiens and repeatedly tried to make them take oaths to the King).
- Cape Breton Island is similarly divided. This comes from a "More successful French in the Seven Years' War" PoD, originally from one where Montcalm successfully defends Québec from Wolfe's troops at the Battle of the Plains of Abraham and captures / destroys most of the invading force at the battle. With more careful French conduct they are able to preserve more French lands, and although Louisbourg is likely still destroyed they get Cape Breton long with Quebec north of the Ottawa river in terms of settlement. With the "lighter Acadien-expulsion" in mind, Acadiens would either be deported to northern New Brunswick or to Cape Breton. I am assuming that, if it was given back to the French they'd try to rebuild Louisbourg, though maybe the rationale of keeping the island would be only if Louisbourg survives. At any rate, I assumed the French-speaking population here would be large enough to merit an administrational split when the island is eventually conquered by the British and incorporated into British North America (as I assuming in this Canada TL).
- Most of Lake Champlain, Northern Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine are all Canada-controlled. I am not sure how they'd split the borders between the provinces (or colonies at that time). This is during a more favorable solution to the American revolution (perhaps no disaster at Saratoga for the British) and perhaps during a War of 1812 where the British are more successful. Maine east of the Penobscot River, along with outlet of the river are occuped by the British (and integrated later I imagine). I stuck in a hypothetical neutral Iroquois "buffer state", that's the funny little border from Lake Erie to Lake Champlain. It's not a given yet, but perhaps instead of settling the Six Nations in Ontario they could be settled there- either Reserve lands as IOTL or perhaps a favorable full land grant to the Iroquois peoples, something I believe I read the British had intended to do to some extent (not sure how much).
- Upper Michigan, much of northern Minnesota and the Red River are Canadian. Not sure how many butterflies might kill this one but I'm going with it anyway. Not all of Northern Minnesota is Canadian, so I imagine a fair chunk of Iron reserves are still there (but way less than IRL). Wisconsin also has a small outlet to Lake Superior there. Whether or not some form of the Louisiana Purchase ends up happening here, the U.S. gets the land up to the Milk River (largely unsettled in Canada anyway).
- The Oregon Dispute ends at a different parallel, here I set it around the 47th-48th (at least I thought I did). This leaves a similar border for the U.S., with Canada simply absorbing lands as far south as Mt. Vernon- meaning they basically absorb some extra mountains and Bellingham Bay. It also leaves Canada in full control of the San Juan Islands (yay?).
- I've assumed a Canadian Alaska by any means necessary, being from B.C.. No but it's just assumed in this map I have no idea how it'd turn out, I just accidentally colored it in and thought "eh, what the hell why not". It may or may not get purchased, but it's so far off in terms of the TL I am not sure what would go on with Alaska.
That's the gist. My take on Canada would be a bit more optimistic in terms of development, so hopefully a larger population with some more major cities than IOTL but I'll listen to anything. Interested to hear your thoughts- though judging by the past few threads I won't expect too many. Any are appreciated!
. I made a map earlier since when school finishes I'll have time to do a TL and why not do one including the country I live in.Anyway, as the title says, here's the borders:
I superimposed the extent of Canada over modern borders and added in dotted lines to represent the borders I have assumed existed at the start of when these borders become relevant.
I haven't decided on everything yet, and it isn't a realistic TL like some people have here. I want to see how Canada would devleop with these borders first and then explore whether the borders are feasible, etc. I'll throw down some generalizations of the dotted lines anyway and where I imagined them coming from
- The territory around New Brunswick is clearly divided. This came from a "lighter Acadien-expulsion" TL where instead of being mass-deported, Acadiens are coerced after the Seven Years' War (or some analogue) into moving into the heavily unsettled regions of northern New Brunswick or to Louisbourg on the eastern part of Île-Royale (Cape Breton Island). With a large enough, concentrated French-speaking Acadien population in northern New Brunswick I thought it might merit its only colony, perhaps under British rationale to 'contain' Acadiens and prevent them from moving around other colonies (IOTL the British were highly distrustful of the Acadiens and repeatedly tried to make them take oaths to the King).
- Cape Breton Island is similarly divided. This comes from a "More successful French in the Seven Years' War" PoD, originally from one where Montcalm successfully defends Québec from Wolfe's troops at the Battle of the Plains of Abraham and captures / destroys most of the invading force at the battle. With more careful French conduct they are able to preserve more French lands, and although Louisbourg is likely still destroyed they get Cape Breton long with Quebec north of the Ottawa river in terms of settlement. With the "lighter Acadien-expulsion" in mind, Acadiens would either be deported to northern New Brunswick or to Cape Breton. I am assuming that, if it was given back to the French they'd try to rebuild Louisbourg, though maybe the rationale of keeping the island would be only if Louisbourg survives. At any rate, I assumed the French-speaking population here would be large enough to merit an administrational split when the island is eventually conquered by the British and incorporated into British North America (as I assuming in this Canada TL
).- Most of Lake Champlain, Northern Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine are all Canada-controlled. I am not sure how they'd split the borders between the provinces (or colonies at that time). This is during a more favorable solution to the American revolution (perhaps no disaster at Saratoga for the British) and perhaps during a War of 1812 where the British are more successful. Maine east of the Penobscot River, along with outlet of the river are occuped by the British (and integrated later I imagine). I stuck in a hypothetical neutral Iroquois "buffer state", that's the funny little border from Lake Erie to Lake Champlain. It's not a given yet, but perhaps instead of settling the Six Nations in Ontario they could be settled there- either Reserve lands as IOTL or perhaps a favorable full land grant to the Iroquois peoples, something I believe I read the British had intended to do to some extent (not sure how much).
- Upper Michigan, much of northern Minnesota and the Red River are Canadian. Not sure how many butterflies might kill this one but I'm going with it anyway. Not all of Northern Minnesota is Canadian, so I imagine a fair chunk of Iron reserves are still there (but way less than IRL). Wisconsin also has a small outlet to Lake Superior there. Whether or not some form of the Louisiana Purchase ends up happening here, the U.S. gets the land up to the Milk River (largely unsettled in Canada anyway).
- The Oregon Dispute ends at a different parallel, here I set it around the 47th-48th (at least I thought I did). This leaves a similar border for the U.S., with Canada simply absorbing lands as far south as Mt. Vernon- meaning they basically absorb some extra mountains and Bellingham Bay. It also leaves Canada in full control of the San Juan Islands (yay?).
- I've assumed a Canadian Alaska by any means necessary, being from B.C.
. No but it's just assumed in this map I have no idea how it'd turn out, I just accidentally colored it in and thought "eh, what the hell why not". It may or may not get purchased, but it's so far off in terms of the TL I am not sure what would go on with Alaska.That's the gist. My take on Canada would be a bit more optimistic in terms of development, so hopefully a larger population with some more major cities than IOTL but I'll listen to anything. Interested to hear your thoughts- though judging by the past few threads I won't expect too many. Any are appreciated!
