List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II

ordinarylittleme

ordinarylittleme

What if Bianca Maria Sforza didn't miscarry in 1494? @Jan Olbracht @Dragonboy @Kellan Sullivan @isabella

Bianca Maria Sforza (1472-1510) m. a) Philibert I of Savoy (1465-1482), b) Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (1459-1519)

1b) Ernest (1495-1577) Holy Roman Emperor m. a) Mary Tudor (1496-1516) with issue, b) Anne of Bohemia and Hungary (1503-1547) with issue, c) Isabella of Savoy (1532-1583) with issue
2b) Leopold (1496-1552) Archduke of Inner Austria m. Bona Sforza (1494-1557) Duchess of Bari and Rossano
3b) Bianca (1503-1577) m. Sigismund I (1467-1548) King of Poland, Grand Duke of Lithuania
4b) Anne (1507-1557) m. a) Louis II (1506-1526) King of Hungary, b) James V (1512-1542) King of Scotland
5B) Maximilian (1510-1580) archbishop with illegitimate issue
 
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HortenseMancini

HortenseMancini

Kellan Sullivan said:
so who do Maria and Catalina of Austria marry?
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Yeah I would swap Bianca’s match with John iii for a match with sigismund the old so Charles v’s sisters would marry (in no particular order):

- An English prince/king (either Henry VIII or an ATL son/nephew of his)
- Christian II
- John III
- Antoine of Lorraine

Charles was opposed to a match with sigismund for his sister Eleanor IOTL so he would probably be happy for his aunt to take over it
 
HortenseMancini

HortenseMancini

ordinarylittleme said:
His aunts are a bit too young for Sigismund the Old and too old for his son, besides, it isn't Charles who will decide who his aunt will marry
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Archduchess Bianca would be turning 14 in 1517, old enough to marry. And yeah Charles won’t be deciding who his aunts marry but that’s why I was saying that Bianca would marry in Poland rather than Portugal, Maximilian was the one who wanted a Habsburg match for Poland and he is also the one who would be deciding Bianca’s marriage. From Maximilian’s pov Poland is more useful than Portugal whereas Charles (once king of Spain) would find Portugal more useful
 
ordinarylittleme

ordinarylittleme

HortenseMancini said:
Archduchess Bianca would be turning 14 in 1517, old enough to marry. And yeah Charles won’t be deciding who his aunts marry but that’s why I was saying that Bianca would marry in Poland rather than Portugal, Maximilian was the one who wanted a Habsburg match for Poland and he is also the one who would be deciding Bianca’s marriage
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Eh. Fair. I'll edit that bit out
 

Kellan Sullivan

HortenseMancini said:
Yeah I would swap Bianca’s match with John iii for a match with sigismund the old so Charles v’s sisters would marry (in no particular order):

- An English prince/king (either Henry VIII or an ATL son/nephew of his)
- Christian II
- John III
- Antoine of Lorraine

Charles was opposed to a match with sigismund for his sister Eleanor IOTL so he would probably be happy for his aunt to take over it
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I'd swap the English prince and Antoine if it's Henry VIII's son
HortenseMancini said:
Archduchess Bianca would be turning 14 in 1517, old enough to marry. And yeah Charles won’t be deciding who his aunts marry but that’s why I was saying that Bianca would marry in Poland rather than Portugal, Maximilian was the one who wanted a Habsburg match for Poland and he is also the one who would be deciding Bianca’s marriage. From Maximilian’s pov Poland is more useful than Portugal whereas Charles (once king of Spain) would find Portugal more useful
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if you let Blanka (not Bianca) be born slightly earlier, she would likely be offered for Christian II instead of Isabella (daughter v granddaughter of an emperor). Not sure where Isabella would marry- maybe she winds up with Lajos II instead?
 

Jan Olbracht

1482: Maximilian dies, Mary lives

Mary of Burgundy (1457-1521) Duchess of Burgundy, m. a) Maximilian (1459-1482) Archduke of Austria, b) Richard (1452-1501) Duke of Gloucester

1a) Philip (1478-1506) Archduke of Austria, Holy Roman Emperor 1494, m. Anne of England (1475-1511)

2a) Margaret (1480-1530) m. Frederick III/IV (1463-1525) Elector of Saxony, Holy Roman Emperor 1506

3a) Francis (1481)

4b) Charles (1488-1532) Duke of Gloucester, m. Anna of Cleves (1495-1567)

5b) Mary (1490-1546) m. Anthony (1489-1541) Duke of Lorraine

6b) Isabella (1492-1551) m. Charles III (1486-1553) Duke of Savoy

7b) Richard (1493)



There is no Treaty of Arras ITTL and Richard of Gloucester never usurped the throne. Philip may be a bit young for HRE once his grandpa dies, but should have cash for bribes. Without Max Jagiellons have easier time in Hungary once Matthias dies and Habsburg claim is weaker.

Philip dies young, so while he has sons, who could inherit Austria and Burgundy, they're small kids when he dies and his brother-in-law Frederick of Saxony is elected as new HRE.
 
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Jan Olbracht

Kellan Sullivan said:
I'd swap the English prince and Antoine if it's Henry VIII's son

if you let Blanka (not Bianca) be born slightly earlier, she would likely be offered for Christian II instead of Isabella (daughter v granddaughter of an emperor). Not sure where Isabella would marry- maybe she winds up with Lajos II instead?
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Or with Sigismund, who was widowed mere year after her OTL marriage.
 
eliamartin65

eliamartin65

Dragonboy said:
Suggestion for ya girl: Mary lives as long as max (1519)
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This is the only Marie tree I'll ever do:

Marie, Duchess of Burgundy (b. 1457) m. 1477 Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1459) with issue:
  1. Philipp (b. 1478)
  2. Margaret (b. 1480)
  3. Franz (b. 1481)
  4. Eleanor (b. 1482)
  5. Anna (b. 1484)
  6. Rudolf (b. 1486)
 

Dragonboy

eliamartin65 said:
This is the only Marie tree I'll ever do:

Marie, Duchess of Burgundy (b. 1457) m. 1477 Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1459) with issue:
  1. Philipp (b. 1478)
  2. Margaret (b. 1480)
  3. Franz (b. 1481)
  4. Eleanor (b. 1482)
  5. Anna (b. 1484)
  6. Rudolf (b. 1486)
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Franz getting inner austria and Rudold becomes a priest?
 
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