Does 11 dreadnoughts for Austria-Hungary include the 3 Radetzky-class semi dreadnoughts by any chance? I'm also guessing that 2 dreadnoughts for Italy that followed TTL's Francesco Carriciolo-class were sped up due to budgetary increases?
Yup - the Radetzkys iTTL would be full dreads.

Italy not having to fight the Italo-Turkish War and their slightly superior economy puts them ahead of schedule, and my notes have the Carricolos as a four-boat class - Carricolo, Colonna, Colombo, Morosini.
 
Yup - the Radetzkys iTTL would be full dreads.

Italy not having to fight the Italo-Turkish War and their slightly superior economy puts them ahead of schedule, and my notes have the Carricolos as a four-boat class - Carricolo, Colonna, Colombo, Morosini.
Amazing work
 
Yup - the Radetzkys iTTL would be full dreads.

Italy not having to fight the Italo-Turkish War and their slightly superior economy puts them ahead of schedule, and my notes have the Carricolos as a four-boat class - Carricolo, Colonna, Colombo, Morosini.
The former seems reasonable with a larger AH economy and the latter as well.
 
I don’t see why they would reward the Czechs after the war. A German prince, possibly from the royal family will lead the incorporated Kingdom of Bohemia while it integrates with the German empire.
I hope Germany doesn't try to annex Bohemia, the borders would look terrible.
 
"...at the outset of the crisis, France was, unequivocally, the primary naval power of the four major combatants. Germany had sixteen dreadnoughts on the eve of March 13, 1919, with another two having begun construction, and Italy had twelve in service with an additional laid down in 1917 and with construction anticipated to be complete in early 1920. France, on the other hand, had nearly as much as double the dreadnoughts as each, with twenty-five in service as the war began and another two in construction, and having also deployed their first "battlecruisers" earlier in 1918, the Marseille and the Nantes, and having laid down three more battlecruisers as a complement. When taken together with Austria-Hungary's eleven dreadnoughts, the Iron Triangle enjoyed a daunting advantage in pure tonnage over their opponents, especially when cruisers, destroyers, and pre-dreadnoughts were taken into account.
I think the fleet numbers are way off. Germany OTL, as of the Battle of Jutland, had 16 dreadnoughts. They're unlikely to ever reach that number without a similar investment, that didn't happen OTL. France having 27, plus maintaining a large army, is simply beyond their capacities, and likely to send Britain into a frenzy, given that as of 1916, the had about 28 of them. A-H having 11 is also probably beyond their capacity, given that at the outbreak of WW1 they had only 4. It's also worth considering the Navy was a common service, so it would need to pass funding from both Parliaments, which would be an issue ITTL.
Thus, at the start of the war, fourteen of Germany's sixteen dreadnoughts were in their North and Baltic Sea ports of Cuxhaven and Kiel;
As a worthless nitpick, Wilhelmshaven was the main North Sea port of the Kaiserliche Marine.
 
I think the fleet numbers are way off. Germany OTL, as of the Battle of Jutland, had 16 dreadnoughts. They're unlikely to ever reach that number without a similar investment, that didn't happen OTL. France having 27, plus maintaining a large army, is simply beyond their capacities, and likely to send Britain into a frenzy, given that as of 1916, the had about 28 of them. A-H having 11 is also probably beyond their capacity, given that at the outbreak of WW1 they had only 4. It's also worth considering the Navy was a common service, so it would need to pass funding from both Parliaments, which would be an issue ITTL.

As a worthless nitpick, Wilhelmshaven was the main North Sea port of the Kaiserliche Marine.
Remember that the CEW is starting in early 1919 and not mid-1914, so there is 4.75 more years of peacetime naval expansion. This is likely enough time for the Ersatz Monarch class to be built by AH to bring their dreadnought total to 8. TTL Germany has also had to focus more extensively on their army due to being committed to a two-front war with France and Austria (Iron Triangle) and also not having a Kaiser enamored with the navy in power since 1893, so a smaller German navy is not unexpected. France also likely has had a stronger economy TTL due to a better post Franco-Prussian war (not losing Alsace, keeping possession of Suez Canal etc.) which means being able to support a larger navy. Also, apparently France bungled their naval procurement during the 1906-1914 period regarding construction and fell behind whereas TTL we are told that they built their first dreadnought several months after the UK and have been more active in naval construction.
 
Remember that the CEW is starting in early 1919 and not mid-1914, so there is 4.75 more years of peacetime naval expansion. This is likely enough time for the Ersatz Monarch class to be built by AH to bring their dreadnought total to 8. TTL Germany has also had to focus more extensively on their army due to being committed to a two-front war with France and Austria (Iron Triangle) and also not having a Kaiser enamored with the navy in power since 1893, so a smaller German navy is not unexpected. France also likely has had a stronger economy TTL due to a better post Franco-Prussian war (not losing Alsace, keeping possession of Suez Canal etc.) which means being able to support a larger navy. Also, apparently France bungled their naval procurement during the 1906-1914 period regarding construction and fell behind whereas TTL we are told that they built their first dreadnought several months after the UK and have been more active in naval construction.
There’s still a lot of other factors aside from construction time. The level of investment Britain and Germany put on during the OTL arms race is unlikely to be replicated, and nobody would be able to sustain it for long. I will take a guess and say that the French number came from projecting the German shipbuilding before WW1 for 5 more years, but that doesn’t take into account that it had already slowed down by the time the war broke out. Aside from that, you also need crews for the ships and general maintenance, which are pretty expensive.

Geopolitics are also at play. If France wants to keep Britain at least neutral, they can’t go that far. Such numbers should’ve sent Britain into a frenzy and triggered an arms race, at minimum.
 
I think @1962strat is 100% right about one thing - if France and Germany were pumping out heavy ships to the degree they are ITTL the Brits would absolutely have a freak-out and build a whole bunch of ships as a response. They'd probably also pick a side (even covertly) between the Iron Triangle and whatever we're calling the German-Italian alliance.
 
There’s still a lot of other factors aside from construction time. The level of investment Britain and Germany put on during the OTL arms race is unlikely to be replicated, and nobody would be able to sustain it for long. I will take a guess and say that the French number came from projecting the German shipbuilding before WW1 for 5 more years, but that doesn’t take into account that it had already slowed down by the time the war broke out. Aside from that, you also need crews for the ships and general maintenance, which are pretty expensive.

Geopolitics are also at play. If France wants to keep Britain at least neutral, they can’t go that far. Such numbers should’ve sent Britain into a frenzy and triggered an arms race, at minimum.
@KingSweden24 is the one to properly answer but I believe the Dantons are all completed as dreadnoughts TTL and there are a couple more of them laid down in immediate reaction to the Dreadnought. 6-8 Dantons + 4 Courbet + 3 Bretagne + 5 Normandie already gets you to a minimum of 18-20 without changing anything at all from the OTL French construction program. Laying down 8 more ships in 1913-19 when France laid down 12 between 1910-13 if anything reduces the pace of construction, where in the 4 years between 1910 and 1913 France lays down on average 3 ships per year in the six years to 1919 they lay down on average 1.33. One notes the OTL 1912 naval law called for construction of 20 dreadnoughts between 1912 and 1920. TTL Imperial France lays down fewer actually at 16.

In the German case of course there is hardly a comparison. In OTL the Germans laid down 28 dreadnoughts between 1907 and 1914 on average 3.5 a year. Five more, 4 Mackensens and Erzatz York were laid down during the war to total 33. Here the Germans have laid down 18 over a period of 13 years. That's a third the OTL peacetime construction rates.

I think @1962strat is 100% right about one thing - if France and Germany were pumping out heavy ships to the degree they are ITTL the Brits would absolutely have a freak-out and build a whole bunch of ships as a response. They'd probably also pick a side (even covertly) between the Iron Triangle and whatever we're calling the German-Italian alliance.
Arguably they HAVE picked a side. Germany, that's what the whole colonial deal with Germany is about. And in my mind at least this had everything to do with imperial France keeping up with the naval race on top of the French control of the Suez canal after 1882. I very much expect France has remained public enemy number one in British public perception. And where is any evidence Britain was not built a whole slew of ships in response? If anything come 1919 TTL Britain can well keep the two power standard. 32 dreadnoughts discounting the Queen Elisabeths and Revenges, plus 6 Queen Lizzies (I discount the 3 proposed Canadian ones although TTL I expect the Canadians do fund them given what's going on in their south) and 8 Revenge gives you 46 to the combined 41 French... and leaves open what the British are laying down from 1916 onwards.

Something that is left unsaid through the latest installment and the comments I think though. This being 1919 not all dreadnoughts are equal any more. An Italian Caracciolo or British Queen Elizabeth, nevermind what came up after them is immensely more powerful than the original Dreadnought or the Dantons and Radezkys built contemporary to them TTL. Soo if these ships are kept in service, not unlike the pre-dreadnoughts in 1914 but are definately second class ships what are the numbers of super-dreadnoughts in 1919, which may well be more relevant? Unless I miss my guess out of the 25 French dreadnoughts only 14 are 340mm and above...

And this doesn't even go to such minutiae like the Teggethoffs being one torpedo away from sinking in OTL or French battleship guns originally built with so low elavation that the Italian ships had a 50% edge in range since we do not know whether this is definately the case TTL...
 
Honestly, does Moscow have a preference as to who they want to win? I would expect that on a macro level, they would prefer a Victorious France and Austria Hungary with a Neutered German and Italy. France has almost *no* areas of conflict with the Russians other than Korea and Austria-Hungary at its *best* is unlikely to try to expand beyond the Carpathians. A Victorious Germany and Italy are respectively more likely to cause problems in Poland and perhaps in the case of Italy, issues with the Ottomans.
 
Honestly, does Moscow have a preference as to who they want to win? I would expect that on a macro level, they would prefer a Victorious France and Austria Hungary with a Neutered German and Italy. France has almost *no* areas of conflict with the Russians other than Korea and Austria-Hungary at its *best* is unlikely to try to expand beyond the Carpathians. A Victorious Germany and Italy are respectively more likely to cause problems in Poland and perhaps in the case of Italy, issues with the Ottomans.
I cannot really see Russia being happy with the Ottomans in their south and France and Austria-Hungary have been closely connected to the Ottoman empire for the past several decades. As long as drang nach osten is not a thing I would explect Russia to be favouring Germany and Italy more.

Which is another way of saying Russia is in a rather enviable position at the moment...
 
Honestly, does Moscow have a preference as to who they want to win? I would expect that on a macro level, they would prefer a Victorious France and Austria Hungary with a Neutered German and Italy. France has almost *no* areas of conflict with the Russians other than Korea and Austria-Hungary at its *best* is unlikely to try to expand beyond the Carpathians. A Victorious Germany and Italy are respectively more likely to cause problems in Poland and perhaps in the case of Italy, issues with the Ottomans.
Even if Austria is unlikely to try and expand, they’ll still oppose any Russian designs on the Balkans. Them and the Ottomans still remain their main European rivals since the Balkans/Black Sea regions are the prospective areas of expansions for Russia in Europe. They really don’t have anything to win from pushing towards East Prussia, those lands are pretty worthless.
 
France’s plan to cross the alps in 30 days is going to have to deal with the fact that Italian soldiers are equipped with guns and not sticks or whatever they thought to think that would work …
 
Ah the naval aspect of this new war. Genuinely one of my favourite things about TTL is the alt naval developments!
Thank you!
I hope Germany doesn't try to annex Bohemia, the borders would look terrible.
Not happening. Heinrich is very much a monarch of the Kleindeutschland variety, and Berlin very much views France as the chief enemy.

That being said, some choice territories being scalpeded off? Nobody would say no to that…
Cuxhaven, now that's a weird sounding name, at least for me (supporter of Heinrichshaven).
That is indeed the city’s name (though as @1962strat informs us was not in fact the KM/HSF’s main base in the Nordsee)
I think the fleet numbers are way off. Germany OTL, as of the Battle of Jutland, had 16 dreadnoughts. They're unlikely to ever reach that number without a similar investment, that didn't happen OTL. France having 27, plus maintaining a large army, is simply beyond their capacities, and likely to send Britain into a frenzy, given that as of 1916, the had about 28 of them. A-H having 11 is also probably beyond their capacity, given that at the outbreak of WW1 they had only 4. It's also worth considering the Navy was a common service, so it would need to pass funding from both Parliaments, which would be an issue ITTL.

As a worthless nitpick, Wilhelmshaven was the main North Sea port of the Kaiserliche Marine.
Remember that the CEW is starting in early 1919 and not mid-1914, so there is 4.75 more years of peacetime naval expansion. This is likely enough time for the Ersatz Monarch class to be built by AH to bring their dreadnought total to 8. TTL Germany has also had to focus more extensively on their army due to being committed to a two-front war with France and Austria (Iron Triangle) and also not having a Kaiser enamored with the navy in power since 1893, so a smaller German navy is not unexpected. France also likely has had a stronger economy TTL due to a better post Franco-Prussian war (not losing Alsace, keeping possession of Suez Canal etc.) which means being able to support a larger navy. Also, apparently France bungled their naval procurement during the 1906-1914 period regarding construction and fell behind whereas TTL we are told that they built their first dreadnought several months after the UK and have been more active in naval construction.
There’s still a lot of other factors aside from construction time. The level of investment Britain and Germany put on during the OTL arms race is unlikely to be replicated, and nobody would be able to sustain it for long. I will take a guess and say that the French number came from projecting the German shipbuilding before WW1 for 5 more years, but that doesn’t take into account that it had already slowed down by the time the war broke out. Aside from that, you also need crews for the ships and general maintenance, which are pretty expensive.

Geopolitics are also at play. If France wants to keep Britain at least neutral, they can’t go that far. Such numbers should’ve sent Britain into a frenzy and triggered an arms race, at minimum.
I think @1962strat is 100% right about one thing - if France and Germany were pumping out heavy ships to the degree they are ITTL the Brits would absolutely have a freak-out and build a whole bunch of ships as a response. They'd probably also pick a side (even covertly) between the Iron Triangle and whatever we're calling the German-Italian alliance.
I will respond to @Lascaris as the summation
@KingSweden24 is the one to properly answer but I believe the Dantons are all completed as dreadnoughts TTL and there are a couple more of them laid down in immediate reaction to the Dreadnought. 6-8 Dantons + 4 Courbet + 3 Bretagne + 5 Normandie already gets you to a minimum of 18-20 without changing anything at all from the OTL French construction program. Laying down 8 more ships in 1913-19 when France laid down 12 between 1910-13 if anything reduces the pace of construction, where in the 4 years between 1910 and 1913 France lays down on average 3 ships per year in the six years to 1919 they lay down on average 1.33. One notes the OTL 1912 naval law called for construction of 20 dreadnoughts between 1912 and 1920. TTL Imperial France lays down fewer actually at 16.

In the German case of course there is hardly a comparison. In OTL the Germans laid down 28 dreadnoughts between 1907 and 1914 on average 3.5 a year. Five more, 4 Mackensens and Erzatz York were laid down during the war to total 33. Here the Germans have laid down 18 over a period of 13 years. That's a third the OTL peacetime construction rates.
And this is why I relied on your generous help with the calculations!
Arguably they HAVE picked a side. Germany, that's what the whole colonial deal with Germany is about. And in my mind at least this had everything to do with imperial France keeping up with the naval race on top of the French control of the Suez canal after 1882. I very much expect France has remained public enemy number one in British public perception. And where is any evidence Britain was not built a whole slew of ships in response? If anything come 1919 TTL Britain can well keep the two power standard. 32 dreadnoughts discounting the Queen Elisabeths and Revenges, plus 6 Queen Lizzies (I discount the 3 proposed Canadian ones although TTL I expect the Canadians do fund them given what's going on in their south) and 8 Revenge gives you 46 to the combined 41 French... and leaves open what the British are laying down from 1916 onwards.
It’s subtextual, but this is exactly right. Britain is still laying down hulls, too, I just haven’t really mapped out what that would look like.

They kinda have no choice, what with the US still committed to getting upwards of 30 battleships as was planned even pre-GAW. No WMT is happening on the horizon.
Something that is left unsaid through the latest installment and the comments I think though. This being 1919 not all dreadnoughts are equal any more. An Italian Caracciolo or British Queen Elizabeth, nevermind what came up after them is immensely more powerful than the original Dreadnought or the Dantons and Radezkys built contemporary to them TTL. Soo if these ships are kept in service, not unlike the pre-dreadnoughts in 1914 but are definately second class ships what are the numbers of super-dreadnoughts in 1919, which may well be more relevant? Unless I miss my guess out of the 25 French dreadnoughts only 14 are 340mm and above...
This is a great point. You’d almost have to use certain older dreads as escorts or part of a broader fleet action.

Interesting tactical and strategic implications
And this doesn't even go to such minutiae like the Teggethoffs being one torpedo away from sinking in OTL or French battleship guns originally built with so low elavation that the Italian ships had a 50% edge in range since we do not know whether this is definately the case TTL...
Heh. Good point, though I don’t know that I’ll get that granular
Honestly, does Moscow have a preference as to who they want to win? I would expect that on a macro level, they would prefer a Victorious France and Austria Hungary with a Neutered German and Italy. France has almost *no* areas of conflict with the Russians other than Korea and Austria-Hungary at its *best* is unlikely to try to expand beyond the Carpathians. A Victorious Germany and Italy are respectively more likely to cause problems in Poland and perhaps in the case of Italy, issues with the Ottomans.
I cannot really see Russia being happy with the Ottomans in their south and France and Austria-Hungary have been closely connected to the Ottoman empire for the past several decades. As long as drang nach osten is not a thing I would explect Russia to be favouring Germany and Italy more.

Which is another way of saying Russia is in a rather enviable position at the moment...
Indeed they are
Even if Austria is unlikely to try and expand, they’ll still oppose any Russian designs on the Balkans. Them and the Ottomans still remain their main European rivals since the Balkans/Black Sea regions are the prospective areas of expansions for Russia in Europe. They really don’t have anything to win from pushing towards East Prussia, those lands are pretty worthless.
But also, this too. Russia has no real reason to want Germany to fail (especially since they settled their dispute over China) and a lot of reasons to want Austrian power curtailed dramatically in the Balkans.
France’s plan to cross the alps in 30 days is going to have to deal with the fact that Italian soldiers are equipped with guns and not sticks or whatever they thought to think that would work …
Whole lotta wishful thinking swirling around in Paris
 
Another point is that fighting on the FI border is going to make the GAW Eastern Front feel like the Western Front. You can't see the Appalachians from the Atlantic, I believe you can see the Alps from Med.
 
Any chances of the Ottomans just attacking French colonies in the Middle East and/or Austria-Hungary once it’s clear those two are losing?
Maybe. The French consider Algeria integral territory but the Ottomans could fuck around about in the Niger Basin or the Ubangi-Shari, I suppose.

As for Austria, at maximum the OE might feel more emboldened to test the limits of influence in Montenegro and Serbia, though that is certain to draw a very quick Italian response in the long term, especially re: the former.
 
1919: How Europe Went to War
"...the most forgotten theater of the Central European War remains, perhaps unsurprisingly, the brief moment of the conflict that included Denmark, which in the long run became much more of a diplomatic problem for Germany than a military one. It is notable that in Denmark, the war is referred to not by the moniker it enjoys in the rest of the world but rather is referred to as Ti Dages Krig - the Ten Days War.

That Denmark even found itself involved in the war is something of a quirk of history. In 1915, the Danish Cabinet had secretly elected to renew the Iron Triangle compact with France and Austria despite the loud protestations of the Foreign Minister Erik Scavenius, a lifelong civil servant from a noble family that in the tradition of certain elite families throughout Europe saw it as their duty to serve in the diplomatic corps. [1] Scavenius opposed the Iron Triangle and argued for Danish neutrality; considering his firmly Germanophilic line in the postwar years in which he became Denmark's powerful, long-serving Prime Minister, it has frequently been argued that his opposition was in part due to his preference for a Denmark aligned more with Germany than with France. While he was technically a nonpartisan figure, he associated with the governing Social Liberal Party, known in Danish as Radikale Venstre, more directly translated as the Radical Left; they were of the traditional liberal-progressive opposition to Danish conservatism (at one point in the 19th century among the continent's most rigidly absolutist) that had broken from the old Venstre liberal party that had shifted to the classically liberal soft-right position and pursued an ambitious, progressive platform in Denmark that had included labor reforms, the expansion of the franchise to include all women older than 22 regardless of property or marriage status, and had begun a process of "rationalization" of the Danish armed forces.

The core tension of Danish decision-making, even within Radikale Venstre, was that of elite nationalism which sought the return of the Danish-majority territories of Schleswig which had been lost in 1864 versus the soft anti-militarism of much of the party faithful. It was ironic that Scavenius, one of the leading figures of the progressive learned elite, was also one of the most fierce proponents of Danish neutrality, arguing that liberal, free-trading and Protestant Denmark had little in common with conservative, protectionist and Catholic France and Austria-Hungary. But the skew went to Carl Theodor Zahle, the long-serving Prime Minister who had effectively successfully implemented parliamentarianism in Denmark where fellow progressives had failed elsewhere in Scandinavia, who viewed the best guarantee of Danish neutrality to be its insurance by Paris and Vienna. This was a naive view, as ten days in March 1919 would quickly reveal.

The Danish government, upon learning of French mobilization on March 7th, was thus split against itself. Zahle was a pacifist through and through but it was he who had lobbied for the renewal of the Triangle four years prior and driven Scavenius out of Cabinet and back to the civil service, where the influential ex-Foreign Minister now served as Denmark's ambassador to Sweden and Norway. Now, at the moment of truth, he blinked. It had always been the assumption in Danish elite circles that they would be joining a coalition to check some German outrage, but unlike in Belgium and France, the behavior of Stephane Clement that had triggered the chain reaction culminating in the mobilization of Europe's armies and a declaration of war hanging over the continent seemed so clearly beyond the pale that a great many found themselves sympathizing with Germany and being highly reluctant to follow France into the abyss "for the honor of a rapist and murderer." The Cabinet spent two days in debate over the matter, deep into the night on March 8th, and Zahle was fairly convinced he had persuaded his colleagues to pursue an "armed neutrality" and was prepared to communicate as much to Germany.

On the morning of the 9th, however, came a critical intervention - that of King Christian X, who still jealously guarded his royal prerogatives as sovereign and was, as King, the exclusive voice in the choice to mobilize or not mobilize. While parliament was superior by custom, it was only custom because Christian X, despite his autocratic instincts, had never actually forced a constitutional crisis. [2] The King looked to North Schleswig, the so-called "lost province," and also did the math on Germany facing a two-front war against two powerful, industrialized enemies, and drew the conclusion that Germany was going to be defeated within nine months of war and that Denmark needed to be "at the table" to make sure it could absorb the lost territories when the time came. He suspected that Germany would be heavily distracted and that Denmark could make small, probing maneuvers on the frontier to tie down German forces and, hopefully, invite the intervention of third powers, ideally Britain or Russia with their half-Danish monarchs, to mediate or join an anti-German coalition to defend Denmark's honor.

Zahle was at an impasse. Several Danish papers had, on the 9th, already begun calling for war and a "march on Flensburg." The revelation of the King's desire to order mobilization in Denmark caught the Prime Minister by surprise, and he went to Amalienborg Palace to tell Christian that the "sense of Cabinet" was against a declaration of war. Christian suggested that Zahle "reassess the sentiments" with the information that "the King and Danish people support this conflict." Zahle understood that Christian, who had never particularly cared for his progressive government, would not hesitate to dismiss him and install a caretaker Cabinet that did as he wished, but also understood that Germany was in every way militarily superior to Denmark and would likely overrun the country quickly. What unfollowed is now known in Denmark as the Mobilization Crisis; Zahle was caught between his principles of pragmatic governance as the Danish establishment and a good portion of the Danish bourgeoisie cried out for war, but also his personal pacifism and his reluctance to bend the knee to the King and allow him to override the will of the Cabinet.

He was not forced to make a choice; upon learning of the King's opinion, several crucial Cabinet ministers flipped and voted to mobilize that evening. King Christian countersigned the mobilization order on March 10th, and a massive demonstration occurred in Copenhagen's Nytorv to celebrate what was assumed to be an imminent declaration of war. One hundred thousand Danish soldiers were mobilized with an additional twenty thousand reservists alerted, and the Danish Navy's war plan was activated with immediate effect. Denmark was, for the first time in fifty-five years, going to war.

The only problem for them, of course, was that Germany was well-aware what the Nytorv demonstrations meant, and their war plans included Denmark, too..." [3]

- 1919: How Europe Went to War

[1] The Wallenberg and Hammarskjold families are good and more famous examples of this in neighboring Sweden; essentially, there were major Scandinavian aristocratic families where you went into diplomacy or the civil service as the family trade.
[2] Nothing equivalent to the Easter Crisis of 1920 has occurred ITTL. Worth reading about if you're unfamiliar
[3] I was only going to expend one post on Denmark but decided to split the Danish political situation off into its own before covering the Ten Days War separately
 
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