The Grand Duchy of the West - A Valois-Burgundian TL

[BlueFlowwer]

He has every right to be, Spain Will finally be united under a single Ruler and by God's Grace it was him. He Will Match his Mother in religious fervor

Juan's actually more chill about the religious fanatics.

 

[Dragonboy]

Juan's actually more chill about the religious fanatics.

Noted, he'll be more Fair then.

 

[BlueFlowwer]

Noted, he'll be more Fair then.

Juan is gonna be remembered as John the Good III of Castile and Leon, Aragon and Sicily and Navarre.

 

[Dragonboy]

Juan is gonna be remembered as John the Good III of Castile and Leon, Aragon and Sicily and Navarre.

That's a fitting name For him.

And don't forged Naples because like hell if he, his brother and father are going to let it fall to the french. Or Will the Napolitan branch of the Trastamaras endure?

 

[BlueFlowwer]

That's a fitting name For him.

And don't forged Naples because like he'll if he, his brother and father are going to let it fall to the french. Or Will the Napolitan branch of the Trastamaras endure?

I've butterflied away the Italian war. Nicholas of Anjou survived, so the (male? ) Anjou claim to Naples rests with Lorraine now. And the Napolitan Trastamaras are gonna survive (for a while longer). Italy is gonna be a point of contention for some things, but not as much as otl.

Juan will get a much better reputation then his brother Ferdinand will. Since I butterflied away Juana and her tragedy, another of Ferdinand and Isabels children have to play the black sheep.

 

[Dragonboy]

Got it! Thankfully the península Will catch a break.

Well, i hope the spare of the Catholic monarchs still helps with the family prestige and Power in spite of his none too favorable Rep.

 

[BlueFlowwer]

Well, i hope the spare of the Catholic monarchs still helps with the family prestige and Power in spite of his none too favorable Rep.

Ferdinand is gonna be loyal to Juan. He has a lot of good sides, but he had bad sides as well.

 

[Dragonboy]

Ferdinand is gonna be loyal to Juan. He has a lot of good sides, but he had bad sides as well.

Noted

 

[Taunay]

Hopefully Portugal is better-off than OTL

 

[BlueFlowwer]

Hopefully Portugal is better-off than OTL

They will be. Unlike Spain they won't expel the jews.

 

[Taunay]

They will be. Unlike Spain they won't expel the jews.

That's great. Did you know Spinoza is descended from Portuguese Jews who were expelled? Although he wouldn't exist, it will be very cool that Portugal will keep its economically productive and important Jewish population.

 

[BlueFlowwer]

That's great. Did you know Spinoza is descended from Portuguese Jews who were expelled? Although he wouldn't exist, it will be very cool that Portugal will keep its economically productive and important Jewish population.

I did not know that. True, true.

 

[BlueFlowwer]

I need to write these, because otherwise I'm gonna explode. Thank the lord for the search functions in Word document.

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Burgundian Family:

Charles the Bold b 1433 d 1477 m a) Catherine of France b 1428 d 1446, b) Isabella of Bourbon b 1437 d 1465, c) Margaret of York b 1446
Issue:

1) Mary of Burgundy, Duchess Consort of Lorraine b 1457 m Nicholas I of Lorraine b 1448
Issue: (incomplete list)
1) Miscarriage 1474
2) Charles of Lorraine b 1477 m Elizabeth von Hapsburg, Archduchess of Austria b 1477
Issue: John of Lorraine b 1495, Marie of Lorraine 1500
3) Margaret of Lorraine b 1480 d 1487
4) Yolande of Lorraine b 1485

2) Philip, Grand Duke of Brabant b 1469 m a) Mary of York b 1467 d 1484, b) Philippa of Guelders b 1467
Issue:
1) Charles of Brabant b/d 1484

2) Philippe, Count of Namur b 1486 betrothed to Beatrice of England b 1488
3) Jean of Brabant b 1488 betrothed to Marie d'Albret b 1488
4) Margaretha of Brabant b 1490 betrothed to Christian, Prince of Denmark b 1481
5) Arnold of Brabant b 1491
6) Katherine of Brabant b 1495 betrothed to Richard, Count of Montfort b 1496
7) Cecilia of Brabant b 1500
8) Antoine of Brabant 1503

3) Isabella of Burgundy b 1470 m Charles VIII of France b 1470
Issue:
1) Charles, Dauphin of France b 1486
2) Marie of France b 1496

4) John of Burgundy, Count of Saint Pol b 1473 m Marie of Luxembourg-Saint-Pol b 1472
Issue:
1) Marguerite of Saint Pol b 1490
2) Peter of Saint Pol b 1495
3) Jacquetta of Saint Pol b 1499

5) Anne of Burgundy b 1477 m Frederick von Hapsburg, Archduke of Austria b 1479
Issue:
1) Maximilian of Austria b 1497
2) Leopold of Austria b 1497






Spanish Family:

Isabel I of Castile and Leon b 1451 m Ferdinand II of Aragon b 1452
Issue:

1) Juan III of Navarre (jure uxoris), Prince of Asturias and Girona b 1470 m Catherine I of Navarre, Princess of Asturias and Girona b 1468
Issue:
1) Juan, Prince of Viana, Infante of Castile and Aragon b 1486
2) Infante Ferdinand of Castile, Aragon and Navarre b 1488
3) Infanta Isabella of Castile, Aragon and Navarre b 1491
4) Infante Alfonso of Castile, Aragon and Navarre b 1494
5) Infanta Eleanor of Castile, Aragon and Navarre b 1497
6) Infante Gaston of Castile, Aragon and Navarre b 1500

2) Isabella of Castile and Aragon, Crown Princess of Portugal b 1475 m Alfonso, Crown Prince of Portugal b 1475
Issue:
1) Infante Joao of Portugal b 1491
2) Infanta Leonor of Portugal b 1495

3) Juana of Castile and Aragon, Duchess Consort of Savoy, b 1478 m Philibert II, Duke of Savoy b 1480
Issue:
1) Philippe Adriano b 1497
2) Marguerite of Savoy b 1499

4) Infante Ferdinand of Castile and Aragon, Duke of Cádiz and b 1482 m Charlotte d'Albret, Duchess of Cádiz b 1480
Issue:
1) Infante Santiago b 1500

5) Infanta Catalina of Castile and Aragon b 1485 betrothed to Richard, Prince of Wales b 1486




Portuguese Family:

John II of Portugal b 1455 m Eleanor of Viseu b 1458
Issue:

1) Alfonso, Crown Prince of Portugal b 1475 m Isabella of Castile and Aragon b 1475
Issue:
1) Infante Joao of Portugal b 1491
2) Infante/Infanta of Portugal b 1495

2) Stillborn son 1483

3) Infanta Isabella of Portugal b 1485

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Author's Note: I have more family trees coming up, but these are the most vital ones right now. Not all family trees are complete as I'm partly making things up as I go. There are some marriages and betrothals I haven't written yet, as they will unfold more in later chapters. I can't spoil you all yet!

 

[Dragonboy]

Awesome Familie trees! But Juan shouldn't be King Juan III Jure uxoris?

 

[isabella]

I need to write these, because otherwise I'm gonna explode. Thank the lord for the search functions in Word document.

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Burgundian Family:

Charles the Bold b 1433 d 1477 m a) Catherine of France b 1428 d 1446, b) Isabella of Bourbon b 1437 d 1465, c) Margaret of York b 1446
Issue:

1) Mary of Burgundy, Duchess Consort of Lorraine b 1457 m Nicholas I of Lorraine b 1448
Issue: (incomplete list)
1) Miscarriage 1474
2) Charles of Lorraine b 1477 m Elizabeth von Hapsburg, Archduchess of Austria b 1477
3) Margaret of Lorraine b 1480 d 1487
4) Isabella of Lorraine b 1485

2) Philip, Grand Duke of Brabant b 1469 m a) Mary of York b 1467 d 1484, b) Philippa of Guelders b 1467
Issue:
1) Charles of Brabant b/d 1484

2) Philippe, Count of Namur b 1486 betrothed to Beatrice of England b 1488
3) Jean of Brabant b 1488 betrothed to Marie d'Albret b 1488
4) Margaretha of Brabant betrothed to Christian, Prince of Denmark b 1481
5) Arnold of Brabant b 1491
6) Katherine of Brabant b 1495 betrothed to Richard, Count of Montfort b 1496
7) Cecilia of Brabant b 1500

3) Isabella of Burgundy b 1470 m Charles VIII of France b 1470
Issue: (Incomplete list, will be expanded on)
1) Charles, Dauphin of France b 1486

4) John of Burgundy, Count of Saint Pol b 1473 m Marie of Luxembourg-Saint-Pol b 1472
Issue: (Have to invent some first. Stand by)

5) Anne of Burgundy b 1477 m Frederick von Hapsburg, Archduke of Austria b 1479
Issue: (Haven't gotten that far yet!)





Spanish Family:

Isabel I of Castile and Leon b 1451 m Ferdinand II of Aragon b 1452
Issue:

1) Juan, King Consort of Navarre, Prince of Asturias and Girona b 1470 m Catherine I of Navarre, Princess of Asturias and Girona b 1468
Issue:
1) Juan, Prince of Viana, Infante of Castile and Aragon b 1486
2) Infante Ferdinand of Castile, Aragon and Navarre b 1488
3) Infanta Isabella of Castile, Aragon and Navarre b 1491
4) Infante Alfonso of Castile, Aragon and Navarre b 1494
5) Infanta Eleanor of Castile, Aragon and Navarre b 1497
6) Infante Gaston of Castile, Aragon and Navarre b 1500

2) Isabella of Castile and Aragon, Crown Princess of Portugal b 1475 m Alfonso, Crown Prince of Portugal b 1475
Issue:
1) Infante Joao of Portugal b 1491
2) Infante/Infanta of Portugal b 1495

3) Juana of Castile and Aragon b 1478 (husband will be revealed in next chapter)

4) Infante Ferdinand of Castile and Aragon b 1482 (wife will be revealed in next chapter)

5) Infanta Catalina of Castile and Aragon b 1485 betrothed to Richard, Prince of Wales b 1486




Portuguese Family:

John II of Portugal b 1455 m Eleanor of Viseu b 1458
Issue:

1) Alfonso, Crown Prince of Portugal b 1475 m Isabella of Castile and Aragon b 1475
Issue:
1) Infante Joao of Portugal b 1491
2) Infante/Infanta of Portugal b 1495

2) Stillborn son 1483

3) Infanta Isabella of Portugal b 1485

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Author's Note: I have more family trees coming up, but these are the most vital ones right now. Not all family trees are complete as I'm partly making things up as I go. There are some marriages and betrothals I haven't written yet, as they will unfold more in later chapters. I can't spoil you all yet!

Juan need the number as King Consort (or better jure uxoris) as Kings have ALWAYS the numerals

 

[Dragonboy]

Juan need the number as King Consort (or better jure uxoris) as Kings have ALWAYS the numerals

Exactly! he deserves it!

 

[BlueFlowwer]

Awesome Familie trees! But Juan shouldn't be King Juan III Jure uxoris?

I wrote King Consort instead.

Juan need the number as King Consort (or better jure uxoris) as Kings have ALWAYS the numerals

Okay, I will rewrite it. @isabella no spoilers about what we talked about!

Exactly! he deserves it!

Jeez, you guys are fast.

 

[Dragonboy]

Jeez, you guys are fast.

Thanks! And just looking after my boy.

 

[BlueFlowwer]

Thanks! And just looking after my boy.

Changed it now. I think you love Juan as much as his mother does at this point! 🤣

 

[Dragonboy]

Changed it now. I think you love Juan as much as his mother does at this point! 🤣

I take pride in that, he had so much to live for.