Wonder Woman VS The Comics Code (EC Comics WI)

So this is an idea that really interests me, but that I don't feel like I have the knowledge to pursue. So I am crowdsourcing ideas out to you guys. :D

Now; All-American Publications was a group that would eventually merge with a few other sub companies to form DC Comics. All American had a stable of heroes that included Wonder Woman, The Flash, and Green Lantern. All American was primarily owned by Max Gaines, with Jack Liebowitz as the minority owner.

While Jack was the minority owner, he was also drawing a salary from DC Comics. This is while the technically separate companies did things like the Justice Society (actually the first intercompany crossover).

Anyways, Max got tired of the superhero business and sold out to Jack in 1944, allowing the eventual merger of DC Comics as we know today. He only retained rights to some bible stories and founded EC Comics : short for Educational Comics.

This ran morality tales and bible stories until Max died in 1947. His son William Gaines, himself studying to become a chemistry teacher, dropped out of college and took over the family business. Educational Comics became Entertaining Comics, a bastion of horror and sci fi that stuck their nose up at the Comics Code Authority brought on by Frederic Wertham.

While Bill's EC Comics was a bastion of free and independent thought and creativity when such was frowned upon, he was pretty much pushed out of the industry (even when he did finally adhere to the Code). EC Comics switched to magazine format in the mid 1950s, becoming what we know of today as Mad Magazine.

EC Comics has influenced a great many seminal creators that we know of today : including most notably Stephen King himself.

My proposition is this; and it necessarily involves killing quite a few butterflies. The WI is that Max Gaines does not sell out his shares of All American to Jack Liebowitz, but instead holds onto this. He dies on schedule in 1947 (a boating accident) and William Gaines takes over a company that has a stable of famous comic book superheroes.

We now have a stable of (at least IOTL) very high profile superheroes, mixed in with a man who has no qualms about standing up to the Comics Code Authority.

Could we see a much earlier maturation of the comic book superhero medium, as Bill Gaines leads a group of famous superheroes into the 1950s and protects them from the temporary Death Knell that the Comics Code Authority provided?
 

marathag

Banned
We now have a stable of (at least IOTL) very high profile superheroes, mixed in with a man who has no qualms about standing up to the Comics Code Authority.

Could we see a much earlier maturation of the comic book superhero medium, as Bill Gaines leads a group of famous superheroes into the 1950s and protects them from the temporary Death Knell that the Comics Code Authority provided?

The Capes were not selling well after WWII, it was Westerns, War, Pulp/Adventure and Romance comics that were taking off, along with the Horror/Weird Tales, started by Avon Publications in 1947, though that genre got its start during the War.

Having more Capes won't save you from Wertham, he went after the Hero/Sidekicks too
 
Having more Capes won't save you from Wertham, he went after the Hero/Sidekicks too
If memory serves he sort of went after the Hero/Sidekicks before the Horrors, as what he was
meant to study was Crime comics, which he defined as "any comic where crime and criminals appear".
Which they do quite a lot in superhero comics.
 
The Capes were not selling well after WWII, it was Westerns, War, Pulp/Adventure and Romance comics that were taking off, along with the Horror/Weird Tales, started by Avon Publications in 1947, though that genre got its start during the War.

Having more Capes won't save you from Wertham, he went after the Hero/Sidekicks too
If memory serves he sort of went after the Hero/Sidekicks before the Horrors, as what he was
meant to study was Crime comics, which he defined as "any comic where crime and criminals appear".
Which they do quite a lot in superhero comics.
It's less preventing Wertham and just having someone stand up to him IOTL, like Gaines, but with the added clout and popularity of Wonder Woman and the rest of the All American stable. And just having superhero comics continue into the 50s instead of keeling over and cancelling themselves under the threat of Wertham and the CCA.
 
Same as OTL until say the mid-60s when the Comics Code collapses like the Hays code did, instead of a decade later. You move up OTL's comic history by a decade, with probable effects on animation. Perhaps less Concern about animation content means the US is like france/latin america in getting into anime in the 1970s instead of a few one-offs like OTL.

You do lose the issue with Speedy injecting heroin into himself though, given the timeframe but oh well. :(
 

marathag

Banned
It's less preventing Wertham and just having someone stand up to him IOTL, like Gaines, but with the added clout and popularity of Wonder Woman and the rest of the All American stable. And just having superhero comics continue into the 50s instead of keeling over and cancelling themselves under the threat of Wertham and the CCA.

Even without him, the numbers of superhero titles were losing readership, that's what really killed them, not Wertham. He just pounded in the last nails in the coffin made in 1946

Only way to change that, would be to do the complete change in them, that Marvel did in the early '60s, new heroes with more real world problems.
 
It's less preventing Wertham and just having someone stand up to him IOTL, like Gaines, but with the added clout and popularity of Wonder Woman and the rest of the All American stable. And just having superhero comics continue into the 50s instead of keeling over and cancelling themselves under the threat of Wertham and the CCA.
I'm not convinced popularity would have helped, as the reason Crime and Horror was targetted was not only their subjects
but also their popularity. The last issue of Captain America Comics's first run was a horror anthology, and that was five years
before Seduction of the Innocent (although Wertham HAD started writing about comics by then).
 

J.D.Ward

Donor
The first thing that occurs to me is to have a President or other senior establishment figure (Patton or MacArthur?) become a comic book fan. When it is public knowledge that the Department of Defence is having tens of thousands of each issue of All-American Comics shipped out to Korea for morale purposes, the Un-American Activities Committee may want to have a few words with Dr. Wertham.

Can those of us more familiar with American culture of this period fine-tune this idea, or is there some reason why it's a non-starter?
 
The first thing that occurs to me is to have a President or other senior establishment figure (Patton or MacArthur?) become a comic book fan. When it is public knowledge that the Department of Defence is having tens of thousands of each issue of All-American Comics shipped out to Korea for morale purposes, the Un-American Activities Committee may want to have a few words with Dr. Wertham.

Can those of us more familiar with American culture of this period fine-tune this idea, or is there some reason why it's a non-starter?
Comics were pretty big propaganda pieces in WWII; I just wonder if Korea is too late to save comics : if they died down pretty much right after WWII (1946) then they’re pretty much already dead when Korea rolls around.

Ofc, if EC Comics / All American is the only game in town at the time, making superhero comics that can appeal to adults, maybe it could be a pretty big hit among GIs. :D
 

marathag

Banned
Ofc, if EC Comics / All American is the only game in town at the time, making superhero comics that can appeal to adults, maybe it could be a pretty big hit among GIs. :D
This is what needed to be in comics to keep GIs interest

PS Magazine, aka the Preventive Maintenance Monthly, illustrated by Will Eisner in the early '50s
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Sgt. Connie Rodd was the main reoccurring character
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