Nobunaga’s Ambition Realized: Dawn of a New Rising Sun

Maybe it will be banned like otl in the 1630s after the Shimabara Rebellion which was supported by Portuguese traders tens of thousands of Catholic Japanese were executed and killed Christianity in its crib in Japan

As of now, because Nobunaga permitted the practice of Catholicism throughout all of Japan despite receiving pushback after the cracking down on the Portuguese slave trade, the faith is in a slightly better place than it is IOTL, even with Nobutada’s greater patronage of Buddhist temples. However, as it was in Europe, politics and religion are closely tied so the arrival of the Dutch and English as not only trading partners but also political actors will complicate things.

Not to mention because of long term openness, there will be a few brave souls who make the pilgrimage to India and many more who interact with Buddhist monks throughout Southeast Asia so Buddhism can’t be counted out. This isn’t even accounting for the great diversity of Japanese Buddhism already existing (Zen, Nichiren, Pure Land, Shingon, Tendai).
 
How's the Shinto gonna be in ittl

I haven’t honestly set in stone anything when it comes to the future religious nature of Japan. However, I don’t see Shinto itself changing in any way that’s different from OTL but rather it being an syncretic influence on other faiths and ideas much like it was on the development of Japanese Buddhism and the syncretic origin of Japanese spirituality.
 
I haven’t honestly set in stone anything when it comes to the future religious nature of Japan. However, I don’t see Shinto itself changing in any way that’s different from OTL but rather it being an syncretic influence on other faiths and ideas much like it was on the development of Japanese Buddhism and the syncretic origin of Japanese spirituality.
I suppose it needs to be quite different to OTL surely? My reasoning is that from my understanding shintoism was coopted quite extensively by Meiji in order to enshrine/facilitate the worshipping of the emperor.
 
My reasoning is that from my understanding shintoism was coopted quite extensively by Meiji in order to enshrine/facilitate the worshipping of the emperor.
The divinity of the living Japanese Emperor has been a concept since Kitabatake Chikafusa penned (or brushed?) the Jinnō Shōtōki during the Muromachi period. Its successful use as a pretext by the Satchō Alliance in settling old scores with the Ōuetsu Reppan alliance, and eventually by the Meiji Oligarchy in the context of consolidating the imperial government fanned the already-present potential for fanaticism.
 
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Chapter 20: Retrospective on the Era of Nobunaga

Chapter 20: Retrospective on the Era of Nobunaga


Historians offer various perspectives on the Great Unifier, varying from that of a cosmopolitan despot who advanced the interests of the greater populace against the old samurai order to Nobunaga as a brutal tyrant who appeased outsiders and held no respect for Buddhism. What can be agreed upon is that Oda Nobunaga single-handedly ushered in a new era for the Yamato realm in a fashion not done since the establishment of the Kamakura Shogunate in 1192 by Minamoto-no Yoritomo. In one generation, the Oda clan went from a minor political player in the scheme of things to the supreme master of Japan with expanded territories. Nobunaga had also built a new city, Azuchi, which would eventually emerge as Japan’s biggest urban center and from which the new central government, the Azuchi Daijo-fu or chancellorate, would emanate power from.

Under Nobunaga, the basic foundation of Japan’s new non-Sinocentric foreign policy was created with a particular focus on expanding commercial and maritime interests south of Kyushu. This led to two major developments: the creation of a standing Azuchi navy run by ex-pirates, sailors of independent navies, and various Oda vassals which enforced and protected such interests and the beginnings of territorial expansion overseas in Bireitou and Ezo respectively. This new foreign policy direction would indirectly lead to technological advances in the Oda clan’s military with a gradual increase in the percentage of arquebusiers within infantry ranks, the beginnings of gunpowder weapon usage by cavalry with individual acquisitions of bajouzutsu (馬上筒), and the construction of European style warships alongside iron-plated Japanese tekkousen within the new Azuchi navy.​

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Bajouzutsu​

In his lifetime, Christianity would establish deep roots in Japan despite setbacks. The Kirishitans, as Japanese Christians came to be called, were numerous in urban centers in particular, where interactions with Europeans were the greatest. By 1600, Kirishitans constituted 5% of the realm’s population.

The era of Nobunaga also heralded the end of many other things, including any military power held by Buddhist temples and sects as well as the significance and allure of the position of Seii Taishogun (征夷大将軍), as Ashikaga Yoshiaki’s deposition in 1573 marked the end of shogunal governance in Japan. The confiscation of weapons from civilians also significantly decreased the lethality of any future non-samurai rebellion in the realm. On the other hand, the authority of the imperial court would rebound under the establishment of the new Daijo-fu style government, with imperial titles co-opted for political purposes and samurai clans and nobles starting to interact with each other more, as demonstrated by the Oda-Konoe alliance through the marriage of Oda Nobunori and Konoe Sakiko.

Finally, through Nobunaga’s ruthless unification conflicts, many daimyo were either wiped off the map or reduced in power while many more clans and lords would rise to the spotlight and stand tall as new power players in the now reunited governance of the realm. It now lay to these individuals as well as Nobunaga’s heirs to build upon the Great Unifier’s undeniably enormous legacy.​

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Promotional photo from the 1992 drama Nobunaga, King of Zipangu [1]

Members of the Sangi-shu 1584-1601


Bold=incumbent
Orange=Oda clan members by blood
Blue=Noble

Oda vassals:
Niwa Nagahide (丹羽長秀): 1584-1585
Takigawa Kazumasu (滝川一益): 1584-1586
Akechi Mitsuhide (明智光秀): 1584-1587
Shibata Katsuie (柴田勝家): 1584-1588
Hashiba Hideyoshi (羽柴秀吉): 1584-1598
Ikeda Tsuneoki (池田恒興): 1585-1589
Mori Nagayoshi (森長可): 1586-
Sassa Narimasa (佐々成政): 1587-1591
Maeda Toshiie (前田利家): 1588-1599
Kuki Yoshitaka (九鬼嘉隆): 1589-1601 [2]
Nagaoka Fujitaka (長岡藤孝): 1591-1600
Kuroda Yoshitaka (黒田孝高): 1598-1601 [3]
Maeda Geni (前田玄以): 1599-
Sakuma Morimasa (佐久間盛政): 1600-

Tozama daimyo:

Miyoshi Yasunaga (三好康長): 1584-1585
Otomo Sourin (大友宗麟): 1584-1587
Date Terumune (伊達輝宗): 1584-1599
Tokugawa Ieyasu (徳川家康): 1584-
Mōri Terumoto (毛利輝元): 1584-
Miyoshi Nobutaka (三好信孝): 1585-
Shimazu Yoshihisa (島津義久): 1587-
Date Masamune (伊達政宗): 1599-

Other:

Oda Nobutada (織田信忠): 1584-1593
Kitabatake Nobuoki (北畠信意): 1584-
Kajuuji Harutoyo (勧修寺晴豊): 1584-
Oda Nobukane (織田信包): 1593-
Oda Nobunori (織田信則): 1599-


Kyoto Shoshidai (magistrates):
Murai Sadakatsu (村井貞勝): 1573-1587
Sugaya Nagayori (菅屋長頼): 1587-1592
Asano Nagamasa (浅野長政): 1592-

Azuchi bugyo (magistrates):
Fukuzumi Hidekatsu (福富秀勝): 1577-1592
Mori Naritoshi (森成利): 1592-

Kamakura Tandai:
Oda Nagatoshi (織田長利): 1583-1596
Oda Toshimasa (織田利昌): 1596-


Bireitou governors:
Oda Nobuhide (織田信秀): 1592-1597
Oda Nobutaka (織田信高): 1597-

[1]: Real drama from OTL

[2]: Kuki Yoshitaka would pass away in October 1601.

[3]: Kuroda Yoshitaka would take the tonsure in mourning of Nobunaga and subsequently retire.
 
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Nobunaga had also built a new city, Azuchi, which would eventually emerge as Japan’s biggest urban center and from which the new central government, the Azuchi Daijo-fu or chancellorate, would emanate power from.


Great chapter, but I feel as though an urban agglomeration centered on the Kanto plain (whether it is called Edo or Tokyo or whatever is irrelevant) is more or less destined to surpass any other location in population on the home islands in the long run, - there is just so much more flat land to expand to and work as opposed to western Honshu. Azuchi's location (Oumi/Shiga prefecture) OTL is definitely not as developed as it could be though - there are like 1.4 million people there, and the location could very well support a large metropolis.
 
Great chapter, but I feel as though an urban agglomeration centered on the Kanto plain (whether it is called Edo or Tokyo or whatever is irrelevant) is more or less destined to surpass any other location in population on the home islands in the long run, - there is just so much more flat land to expand to and work as opposed to western Honshu. Azuchi's location (Oumi/Shiga prefecture) OTL is definitely not as developed as it could be though - there are like 1.4 million people there, and the location could very well support a large metropolis.
I guess Kamakura can be a "Keihanshin-sized" metropolis ITTL, with Kantō Plain having more rural areas than IOTL (especially up to its North). It's simply by the virtue of not being as much of an onus of economic activity as OTL Edo did, and only more so without the national Sankin-Kotai. (That said, a more limited one - local to the region - can be initiated by the Kamakura Tandai.) The region centring around the far-more peripheral Kamakura doesn't help either.

Consequently, Nōbi Plain is much more crowded than IOTL and I can see it having quadrupled the population it had relative to OTL. Sakai City at Osaka plain - especially due to being much closer to Azuchi - will be the main economic and industrial centre of Japan as opposed to playing the second city to Tokyo, with the title being taken up by Azuchi at first before being eclipsed by Kamakura due to the obvious reasons you stated.
 
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Chapter 21: Survey of Daimyo in the Era of Nobunaga

Chapter 21: Survey of Daimyo in the Era of Nobunaga


Advancements made towards greater political stability, economic prosperity, and trade expansion across the entire realm under Nobunaga’s unified rule were strongly aided by the different administrations of various daimyo across Japan’s feudal landscape.

The clan that undoubtedly prospered the most was the Shimazu clan, which was blessed with both a direct connection with the Oda clan through Nagahisa and the political savvy of not just Yoshihisa and Nagahisa but also the former’s younger brother Yoshihiro (島津義弘). They successfully positioned themselves as the premier daimyo in Kyushu by presenting themselves as the main alternative to northern Kyushu clans like the Otomo and Arima who were seen as a bit too pro-Catholic for many in Azuchi. The Shimazu, particularly Nagahisa, took advantage of the clan’s geographic location and heavily invested in the expansion of Kagoshima as a maritime port and a rising rival to Nagasaki. This was particularly boosted with the establishment of a Shimazu trading outpost, Mamezaki, on Bireitou and the forging of strong bilateral trade relations with the Dutch when they first arrived.

Meanwhile, the Mōri surprisingly recovered from their monumental territorial loss in 1582, retaining only 4 of 9 provinces. Fortunately, area they held were their core and valuable territories, from the profitable silver mines in Iwami province (石見国) to the cultural splendor of Yamaguchi, referred to as the “Kyoto of the West'' as it acted as a haven for many nobles during the chaos of the Sengoku period. Mōri Terumoto would also build up Shimonoseki as a maritime port especially after Yamaguchi came under direct control of Azuchi. Shimonoseki would rapidly boom as it oversaw all trade flowing into the Seto Inland Sea towards Sakai from the north, including ships coming from Nagasaki, Hakata, and Joseon. With the Sou clan’s (宗氏) and Azuchi’s assistance, trade between the Joseon kingdom and both Yamaguchi and Shimonoseki also began around this time, with silver particularly prized as exports. Mōri’s regional maritime power was bolstered by arguably Japan’s strongest daimyo navy, composed of former Murakami navy (村上水軍) sailors and the pre-existing Mōri-Kobayakawa navy.​

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Sketch of Shimonoseki in the 17th century​

Mōri Terumoto also created 3 subdomains, or shiryou (支領) controlled by cadet branches of the Mōri clan to help accommodate numerous Mōri vassals whose lands had been ceded to the Oda and better administratively govern his lands especially in key areas: the Iwami subdomain (石見支領) controlled by his cousin Kikkawa Hiroie (吉川広家), the Mihara subdomain (三原支領) controlled by his uncle Kobayakawa Takakage (小早川隆景), and the Shimonoseki subdomain (下関支領) controlled by another uncle, Hoida Motokiyo (穂井田元清). These administrative decisions assisted with practical governance and eased the burden of the landless vassals, aiding the Mōri’s rebounding power and prestige.

On the other side of Azuchi lay the lands of Tokugawa Ieyasu, Nobunaga’s greatest ally in his unification wars. After the fall of the Takeda clan, Ieyasu had successfully recreated the old Imagawa clan domain prior to the famous Battle of Okehazama (桶狭間の戦い) through the acquisition of Suruga province and would move the old Imagawa capital of Sunpu (駿府). Ieyasu proved to an able administrator, focusing his efforts on developing the Tokaido (東海道) road through his three provinces, which linked the Kanto region and Kamakura with Oda lands and Kyoto entirely through his territories. The road had its origins in the 7th century, but it was under Ieyasu when it began to develop as a major economic and cultural pipeline with its famous inns regulated by the Tokugawa clan. The Tokaido came to be utilized for sightseeing Mt. Fuji and pilgrimages to Ise Shrine (伊勢神宮). It also linked together the collective military strength of the Tokugawa, allowing for swift mobilization if necessary.

Beyond the Tokaido, Ieyasu also invested in maritime trade expansion to take advantage of the sea route between Sakai and Kamakura with some success, Hamamatsu (浜松) in particular becoming an important midpoint between the two major urban centers.​

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Ukiyo-e depiction of a part of the Tokaido near Mt. Fuji​

Finally, in the furthest north in Ezo lay the Kakizaki clan, led by clan head Kakizaki Yoshihiro. In the aftermath of the 1585 Northern Expedition and the establishment of Oda presence at Hakodate, the Kakizaki clan continued a gradual expansion up north, with small scale expeditions and settlement growth taking place with the assistance of Hakodate magistrate Mōri Yoshikatsu. By 1600, the entirety of Oshima Peninsula (大島半島) was either loosely or directly under their control, with Ainu tribes in the area either conquered and wiped out or submitting to Yoshihiro as tributary vassals. Influence also extended outwards towards other Ainu tribes to the north and east, who started gaining access to Japanese goods coming all the way from Sakai and Nagasaki, reflecting an expanded commercial nature of the increasingly connected realm. Furs, fish, seal blubber, and exotic Ainu products, meanwhile, traveled southwards from Kakizaki lands, and Yoshihiro would start nurturing a timber industry in Ezo. Ezo would continue to be an ever-enticing northern frontier for many and the Kakizaki clan was there to take full advantage of that, putting them in a powerful position among the various Oshu daimyo.​
 
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Great chapter, but I feel as though an urban agglomeration centered on the Kanto plain (whether it is called Edo or Tokyo or whatever is irrelevant) is more or less destined to surpass any other location in population on the home islands in the long run, - there is just so much more flat land to expand to and work as opposed to western Honshu. Azuchi's location (Oumi/Shiga prefecture) OTL is definitely not as developed as it could be though - there are like 1.4 million people there, and the location could very well support a large metropolis.
I can also see that but so long as Japan has a feudal system, that's not going to be really possible. On top of that, currently all the population centers and booming ports and trade hubs are geographically positioned to best benefit from trade routes from the south. If trade between the New World and Japan becomes dominant, things would definitely change but right now that trade route might as well be nonexistent, although time and technology will have an impact overtime.
 
I can also see that but so long as Japan has a feudal system, that's not going to be really possible. On top of that, currently all the population centers and booming ports and trade hubs are geographically positioned to best benefit from trade routes from the south. If trade between the New World and Japan becomes dominant, things would definitely change but right now that trade route might as well be nonexistent, although time and technology will have an impact overtime.
That's definitely fair, I certainly don't expect an overwhelmingly huge city there anytime soon.
 
I can also see that but so long as Japan has a feudal system, that's not going to be really possible. On top of that, currently all the population centers and booming ports and trade hubs are geographically positioned to best benefit from trade routes from the south. If trade between the New World and Japan becomes dominant, things would definitely change but right now that trade route might as well be nonexistent, although time and technology will have an impact overtime.
Perhaps, a major earthquake at Nankai can shake up things enough to reduce the prominence of those southern cities; the 1707 Hōei Earthquake especially comes to mind; though it may be Kagoshima who stood to gain the most due to it being the furthest from damage, Azuchi and Kyoto (or rather - Sakai) will still deal with a good amount of damage that can disrupt them for a while.

That said, that can be exploited best when Kamakura-fu centralizes through a more limited version of the same conditions that gave rise to Edo IOTL, because otherwise, it'll just be the Sagami clan's own part of the plain that will back that trade up.
 
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