Trying to Please Everyone: Or Converting multiple Pop Culture Utopias into a Timeline.
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Pan Am (Pan American airlines) and TWA (Transworld airlines).
What about the other scrapped horror crossovers like Jay and Silent Bob Meet Pinhead and Leprechaun vs. Candyman? Although the latter wouldn't most likely get made ITTL.
Since you mentioned Ash: is the Evil Dead franchise any different than in our world, or not?
(I'm once again reusing old questions asked on the Blue Skies in Camelot for this thread.)
How are these people doing ITTL?
Jack Ruby
John Hinckley Jr.
Rowan Atkinson (aka Mr. Bean's actor)
Ben Folds
Chaim Topol
Jason Miller (the actor and playwright)
Linda Blair
Brenda Spencer
Michael Reaves & Greg Weisman
Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer
Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden
Joanne Rowling
Che Guevara
Tim Berners-Lee
Fred Rogers
and Bob Ross
How are these people doing ITTL?
Jack Ruby
John Hinckley Jr.
Rowan Atkinson (aka Mr. Bean's actor)
Ben Folds
Chaim Topol
Jason Miller (the actor and playwright)
Linda Blair
Brenda Spencer
Michael Reaves & Greg Weisman
Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer
Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden
Joanne Rowling
Che Guevara
Tim Berners-Lee
Fred Rogers
and Bob Ross
Both survive due to the events which contributed to their bankruptcy(Persian Gulf War and September 11) not happening.
Both happen but the former leans into its madness while the other is just awful.
Sam Raimi maintains the rights to the original Evil Dead and so Evil Dead 2 is a direct sequel, removing the first few moments retelling the original film. Aside from the two crossovers with Freddy and Jason, Bruce Campbell returned to voice Ash in the videogame Poker Night at the Inventory. Ash vs Evil Dead still happens.
Never shot Oswald. Continued to run a bar until his 1967 death of cancer.
John Hinckley Jr tried and failed to assassinate Reagan much earlier but failed and was arrested.
I know who Rowan Atkinson is. Atkinson starred in another Blackadder Season "Blackadder pleads the Fifth" set during the 60's and covering the Kennedy Assassination, the Vietnam War and other topics. In traditional Blackadder fashion, it ends with the implication of Nuclear war and the characters all likely dying. He actually nearly played the Doctor ITTL but still performed a parody of him. Mr.Bean is preserved but the Animated series is not. He also notably plays a Parrot in Disney's Kimba the White Lion, an adaptation of the Osamu Tezuka character. Disney and Tezuka had a close friendship and Disney procured the rights to make an animated movie which is similar to OTL's Lion King).
Ben Folds worked mostly on film soundtracks, including the song The Luckiest for the movie Loser(Deleted OTL).
Chalm Topol is largely same as OTL.
Jason Miller had a similar career minus Exorcist III and his film Adaptation of That Championship Season which features William Holden(who died before the film was finished OTL).
Linda Blair had a similar career to OTL, starring in the Exorcist, but not Exorcist III and appearing in various Horror films until her recent activism.
Brenda Spencer in 1979, shot and killed her father, who had bought her a gun for her birthday with the possible intent that she would commit suicide. The shots were heard and the nearby Grover Cleveland Elementary went into a state of emergency. With everyone barricaded inside the school, police arrived and were able to negotiate Spencer into entering Police Custody. It should be mentioned the media does not devolve the names of school shooters, to rob them of the intention they wanted and not encourage other shooters. If a school shooter escapes custody, then their full name is revealed, in case someone has the same first and last name.
For Michael Reeves I only found the Youtuber and there's not much to change there.
Greg Wiessman has more or less the same credits though more work on Gargoyles since the series lasted longer and he stayed on for a third season. Not yet clear if Spectacular Spider-Man exists but its likely a Spider-Man show existed. Gargoyles at least crossed over with 90's Spider-Man.
Jeffrey Dahmer, due to TTL's more progressive view towards Homosexuality, was able to be more open about being gay. This kept him somewhat more stable and he opened a taxidermy shop. He still resorted to the murders since its unlikely these factors changing would avert this. This would still lead to his capture and arrest. In the Non canon Version he remained a taxidermist.
Osama Bin Laden was not radicalized, at least not to the same extent as OTL, due to a ripple effect caused by the song" Baby it's cold outside" not existing. Laden did attempt a terrorist attack, which was averted and he was captured the same year.
J.K. Rowling stays off Twitter.
Che Guevara would probably follow a similar path as OTL ,in the non canon version, he and Fidel Castro go down Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid style(last stand going down in a hail of bullets) post Cuban Missile Crisis to American Armed forced. His ironic popularity still rises.
Tim Berners Lee still creates the World Wide Web.
Fred Rogers was more or less same as OTL though the big speech to Congress likely came at a different point with no Nixon Administration. He lived a little longer and moved his show to Youtube.
Bob Ross gave up smoking and lived longer. Currently has an ASMR channel on youtube, which of course is him painting.
It's Kimba the White Lion, basically it just under a different name.No Lion King ITTL?
If you ever get to video games, you might find this website helpful.
tcrf.net
The Cutting Room Floor
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Two books that you might mention when you get to science Fiction novels .
According to a article in Robert Heinlein's Expanded Universes , E E Doc Smith had a plan for a 7th Lensman novel that followed on after "Children of the Lens".
Smith did not think that it could be published in the early 60's.
Have him write a draft and have Heinlein the in late 70's or early 80's , work on it so it can be published .
Author David Kyle in 80's work three sequels to the Lensman series that were published .
He had a plan for a fourth one based on the "Red Lensman " but it was never finished .
Have him finish the novel .
According to a article in Robert Heinlein's Expanded Universes , E E Doc Smith had a plan for a 7th Lensman novel that followed on after "Children of the Lens".
Smith did not think that it could be published in the early 60's.
Have him write a draft and have Heinlein the in late 70's or early 80's , work on it so it can be published .
Author David Kyle in 80's work three sequels to the Lensman series that were published .
He had a plan for a fourth one based on the "Red Lensman " but it was never finished .
Have him finish the novel .
The Legend of King Kong
The Legend of King Kong is an unmade 1976 remake of King Kong that was to be produced by Universal Pictures.
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Speaking of Horror series, I think the Alien Franchise could be made as a entry considering the various "stumbling blocks" that the franchise had *cough* Alien 3, AVP *cough*.
Maybe include the Predator franchise as well.
I also see someone requested Percy Jackson, I have a suggestion, maybe make it into an animated movie trilogy/TV series instead of live action ala OTL and as contrast to the live action Harry Potter movies?
Maybe include the Predator franchise as well.
I also see someone requested Percy Jackson, I have a suggestion, maybe make it into an animated movie trilogy/TV series instead of live action ala OTL and as contrast to the live action Harry Potter movies?
Sonic in Comics:1992-2016
Sonic the Comic(1993-2002)
UK Based Comic company Fleetway created their own Sonic series. Among the changes were the character of Johnny having a crush on Amy. Amy is a crabby playful girl bruiser who teased Sonic frequently. The Shanazar Arc had the writers Nigel Kitching and Lew Stringer alternate writing duties. Shanazar was revealed to be Mobius in the past. Knuckles is present in the story. The arc also used the redesign of Robotnik as he was transformed into Kintober while on Shanazar. The redesign being close to Sonic Adventure 2. Lew Stringer introduced Agent X as Johnny. The one shot characters Hobson and Choy also joined the freedom Fighters. The Kintober computer is a father figure to Sonic he fights against. The series continued on for a bit longer than OTL, seeing several planned ideas implemented. This butterflies away the STC-Online Fan Comic as the ideas used there are shown, such as an aquatic race introduced by Richard Elson.
Archie Comics(1992-2016)
Issue 13
Archie Comics Sonic began life as a harmless, largely for children, series, but began to enter more complicated storylines as it went on. However the comic also adapted elements from the then current games, introducing Knuckles in Issue 13. There was even an issue in which Robotnik was the main character titled "A Day in the Life of Robotnik". The comic borrowed heavily from Sonic Sat AM, but came with an unexpected element of Permanent death. When someone died in the Comics. They remained dead. Technically Knuckles, Sally and Dr.Robotnik were among those who met their demise. All three in the storyline Endgame, the conclusion to the original series. Sally was seemingly killed by Sonic intentionally cutting her rope while on a mission. Sonic was put on trial for the murder.
The true murderer was later revealed to be Metal Sonic, who's more normal looking facade melted away. Knuckles robotocized himself to fight Metal Sonic, leaving him permanently stuck in that robotic state. Finally Eggman was defeated and killed in an explosion Sonic barely managed to outrun. With Eggman defeated, the rest of the series involved restoring the damage done. The Series was rebooted with Sonic, Knuckles was restored to life and an alternate universe version of Eggman entered the world of the Archie Comics, serving to parallel the modern stories.Sonic was also now older to justify his new appearance based upon the more recent games as were characters like Amy thanks to the Time Skip.
Several crossovers with characters like Savage Dragon, Archie's Mario and Megaman series ensued. The Image Crossover featured the villain Dr.Ian Droid, who had previously battled Knuckles in his own series. This was when Ken Penders came onto the scene. Ken enjoyed a great deal of freedom, creating the Source of All, which Penders revealed to be an AI made out of a pool of nanotechnology, from either the past or the future, that was so advanced as to be indistinguishable from magic. Penders was kept restrained in his insanity by Karl Bollers. Bollers wrote the relationship between Antione and Bunnie, with Antione becoming a darker character, which Penders used to reveal that this was the evil Antione from the Comic's previously introduced mirror universe, the previously established spar having been covered with an eyepatch while he had made up a lie about how he got the scar.
Karl had Sonic in a love triangle with Amy and Fiona, the Iron Queen brainwashed Knuckles with her magic to gain control of a giant Master Emerald, Bunnie's real name was revealed to be Scarlette O'Hare, Antoine was manipulated by the Source. Snively donned a robotic battlesuit and called himself Skarkus as a rival to Eggman, who was terrified of Shadow killing him after receiving a vision. Nicole and A.D.A.M. fell in love. Sonic and the former Freedom Fighters became ambassadors to the Overlander society and Station Square. There was also a Girls' Night Out Episode with Mina, Amy, Nic, and Rouge, Bunnie and Antoine getting engaged in issue 175 and marrying in issue 200.
Karl Bollers wrote a story arc where Knuckles and Monkey Khan get brainwashed by the Iron Queen and Eggman respectfully, leading to a three way battle between the Queen, Eggman and Mammoth Mogul over a power source equal to the Master Emerald. Snively switched sides and fought with a powered armor, allying with Shadow as Eggman had a vision Shadow would kill him. Snively also gained the Source of All return, being controlled by Ixis Naugus. Snively would die a hero, which rattled Sonic and his friends considerably.Issue 200 also featured a time jump known as "Mobius: X Years Later" giving a glimpse into the future of the characters. Bunnie even received a three issue series starring her Tails and Knuckles. Penders left the series and was replaced with Ian Flynn. Karl had Sonic date Amy Rose. However, Fiona Fox would end up developing feelings for Sonic and the two would become rivals for his affections.
In Flynn's run, Robotnik was having difficulty with an unknown person referred to as "Anonymous" which was competent at repairing robots and as tall as Robotnik, later revealed to be the original Robotnik. The end of "The Good, the Bad, and the Unknown" arc revealed that Ivan Kintobor, an ancestor of Robotnik and creator of Shadow, had survived as a Human Popsicle and he returned as a major antagonist. Other new antagonists were from the pre established Mirror Universe, including an evil version of Silver named Tarnish.
Penders successor on the book, Ian Flynn, had E-123 Omega kill Tommy Turtle. This led up to the storyline "Endangered Species" which featured a Mêlée à Trois between the Dark Egg Legion, Thrash the Devil and Team Fighters for the fate of the Echidna species. One of the covers had Julie-Su and Amy Rose back to back and the third part having Lien-Da whip binding Sonic. Notably the arc had a happy ending, with the Death Egg II attempting to invade Avalon being defeated. Penders granted Sega permission to use his characters and no problems arose during the Worlds Collide crossover with Megaman in Issue 250. The crossover featured Eggman and Wily meeting and teaming up, leading to the two heroes battling roboticized versions of the Sonic Cast and some fusions such as Chaos Devil(a fusion of Chaos and Yellow Devil), and Metal Bass, a fusion of Metal Sonic and Bass. The character of Nicole 7000 was introduced shortly after the event due to an AI needed to mantain the level of technology left over from the Megaman universe in Sonic's universe. After the crossover "Shadow Fall", the first storyline involving Team Dark, featured Black Doom and Mephiles as the antagonists.
Cortez
Null
Flynn continued writing up to issue 300, this resulted in the apparent death of Antione in Metal Sonic's explosion, though fan favoritism led to his survival being revealed with the same occurring to Hershey the Cat. Flynn was also tasked with rebooting the Universe as the rights prepared to go to IDW instead of Archie and used this to write a conclusion to Sonic Underground, which was included in the event Sonic Universe which crossed over many versions of the character as the series was rebooted to avoid a Ken Penders Lawsuit. Included in the work as well was a retelling of SegaSonic the Hedgehog and an adaptation of Sonic Lost World. The 300th Issue introduced the Metal Virus. A replacement for the Roboticizer, the Metal Virus was a Zombie plague spreading across the Sonic Multiverse(inspired by the success of Afterlife with Archie, another Archie Comics Zombie story). The two non Metal Virus enemies and main antagonists of the event were Cortez and Null. A newly introduced character(due to a mandate to sell toys) was an alternate version of Sonic known as Clear Blue Sonic, which was among the victims of the Metal Virus. The Metal Virus while seemingly destroyed and most of its victims restored to normal with the crossover showing several alternate realities and versions of Sonic from across his history being roboticized. IDW would use the Metal Virus in the comic event Infestation.
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"Amy is a crappy playful girl bruiser who teased Sonic frequently"
That's a little uncalled for, don't you think?
That's a little uncalled for, don't you think?
She'd probably be doing fine. The only movie or hers I can see getting butterflied is Fifty Shades Darker.
Transformers(Generation 1): 1983-2007
Transformers
Spider-Man appears in the Marvel Comics Transformers.
In 1983, Hasbro approached Marvel Productions to make a cartoon based on the Transformers toyline. Marvel Productions proposed a Hanna-Barbera style show centered on a transforming Volkswagen named "Muffler" ("Muffy" for short), three young humans named Matt, Eddie, and Wendy, and their dog Burt. This idea was scrapped, later surfacing as its own series simply named "Muffy". The rewritten series, courtesy of Toei Animation, would be the series in its current form. Hasbor had seen success in adapting Japanese storylines into new forms. Marvel provided the backstory in Comic form. The Mecha design of the Transformers was provided by Shōji Kawamori, creator of the Macross franchise. The Transformers Property remains a part of the Marvel Universe. The Closer relationship meant the Marvel and TV continuities matched more closely. The TV series continued for sometime(unlike OTL, the episode "Thief in the Night" was rewritten to feature the fictional nation of Kalubya, instead of Carbombya and positive arab characters were added in a script rewrite, specifically civilians suffering under General Fakkadi's regime and a resistance group seeking to depose, as well as several soldiers serving him reluctantly, largely out of fear. This means Casey Kasem remains on the show).
Transformers: The Movie
Then came Transformers: The Movie, which killed off several prominent characters on both sides, including Megatron and Optimus Prime(Prime's only death ITTL). The next season after the film introduced the Quintessons and brought back Optimus Prime due to his popularity. The series eventually ended. The UUK meanwhile printed its own version of the series. The character of Arcee is never introduced(since the accusations of sexism do not exist, which warranted her creation).
Beast Megatron attacks Optimus Prime in the Episode Generations.
In 1996, the sequel series, Generation 2, or Beast Wars, was created, which deals with groups of Future Transformers being transported to the ancient past. It is set in the same continuity as Generation I. The rather dark Episode "Dark Glass" is included ITTL, resolving a plothole OTL. Beast Wars and Beast Machines was followed by Transtech. This serious dealt with a new great war and a Technorganic Cybertron and introduced the Insecticons. In the Comics, Techno-X worked towards revamping Circuit Breaker and Neo-Knights in a series written by Simon Furman and Andrew Wildman, further intergrating the characters into the Marvel universe.
After the end of the series, the story continued in Comics by Dreamwave, which told stories involving Generation 1, Beast Wars and Beast Machines. The Series also had several crossovers with G.I.Joe, another hasbro property. The two being established as existing in the same universe. The characters met in the Cartoon and in every incarnation of the Comics. After Dreamwave collapsed upon completing Transformers: Armada, IDW gained the license and rebooted the Transformers continuity to tell their own stories. IDW would have several crossovers, most of which are largely loosely canon such as a Transformers/Avengers Crossover which mixes Generation I and a 60's era Avengers team, A crossover with Star Trek: The Original Series, and Ghostbusters. The IDW series would conclude with Simon Furman's grand Finale Arc with a 12 issue series, including a battle between Sixshot and Monstructor, the confrontation between Optimus Prime and Nemesis Prime, Sidewipe rushing to Earth to save his brother Sunstreaker.
Robots in Disguise, continued the Generation I continuity but acted as a short miniseries, dealing with Megatron being resurrected and reforming the Decepticons. It featured a return to vehicle based Transformers rather than the Beast themed Transformers. The series was released in America without censorship(OTL it was heavily censored due to the 9/11 terrorist attacks, as the series featured large amounts of collateral damage).
Spider-Man appears in the Marvel Comics Transformers.
In 1983, Hasbro approached Marvel Productions to make a cartoon based on the Transformers toyline. Marvel Productions proposed a Hanna-Barbera style show centered on a transforming Volkswagen named "Muffler" ("Muffy" for short), three young humans named Matt, Eddie, and Wendy, and their dog Burt. This idea was scrapped, later surfacing as its own series simply named "Muffy". The rewritten series, courtesy of Toei Animation, would be the series in its current form. Hasbor had seen success in adapting Japanese storylines into new forms. Marvel provided the backstory in Comic form. The Mecha design of the Transformers was provided by Shōji Kawamori, creator of the Macross franchise. The Transformers Property remains a part of the Marvel Universe. The Closer relationship meant the Marvel and TV continuities matched more closely. The TV series continued for sometime(unlike OTL, the episode "Thief in the Night" was rewritten to feature the fictional nation of Kalubya, instead of Carbombya and positive arab characters were added in a script rewrite, specifically civilians suffering under General Fakkadi's regime and a resistance group seeking to depose, as well as several soldiers serving him reluctantly, largely out of fear. This means Casey Kasem remains on the show).
Transformers: The Movie
Then came Transformers: The Movie, which killed off several prominent characters on both sides, including Megatron and Optimus Prime(Prime's only death ITTL). The next season after the film introduced the Quintessons and brought back Optimus Prime due to his popularity. The series eventually ended. The UUK meanwhile printed its own version of the series. The character of Arcee is never introduced(since the accusations of sexism do not exist, which warranted her creation).
Beast Megatron attacks Optimus Prime in the Episode Generations.
In 1996, the sequel series, Generation 2, or Beast Wars, was created, which deals with groups of Future Transformers being transported to the ancient past. It is set in the same continuity as Generation I. The rather dark Episode "Dark Glass" is included ITTL, resolving a plothole OTL. Beast Wars and Beast Machines was followed by Transtech. This serious dealt with a new great war and a Technorganic Cybertron and introduced the Insecticons. In the Comics, Techno-X worked towards revamping Circuit Breaker and Neo-Knights in a series written by Simon Furman and Andrew Wildman, further intergrating the characters into the Marvel universe.
After the end of the series, the story continued in Comics by Dreamwave, which told stories involving Generation 1, Beast Wars and Beast Machines. The Series also had several crossovers with G.I.Joe, another hasbro property. The two being established as existing in the same universe. The characters met in the Cartoon and in every incarnation of the Comics. After Dreamwave collapsed upon completing Transformers: Armada, IDW gained the license and rebooted the Transformers continuity to tell their own stories. IDW would have several crossovers, most of which are largely loosely canon such as a Transformers/Avengers Crossover which mixes Generation I and a 60's era Avengers team, A crossover with Star Trek: The Original Series, and Ghostbusters. The IDW series would conclude with Simon Furman's grand Finale Arc with a 12 issue series, including a battle between Sixshot and Monstructor, the confrontation between Optimus Prime and Nemesis Prime, Sidewipe rushing to Earth to save his brother Sunstreaker.
Robots in Disguise, continued the Generation I continuity but acted as a short miniseries, dealing with Megatron being resurrected and reforming the Decepticons. It featured a return to vehicle based Transformers rather than the Beast themed Transformers. The series was released in America without censorship(OTL it was heavily censored due to the 9/11 terrorist attacks, as the series featured large amounts of collateral damage).
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